<p>I don't mean to bring up an old topic, but I've been thinking about Baruch vs. Fordham.</p>
<p>It is a different discussion however, because I now plan on majoring in Marketing. I'm not sure of Baruch's reputation outside of accounting and finance, but Fordham doesn't seem bad at all. </p>
<p>On the other hand, a small part of me says I would make a good lawyer, since I am actually a very good writer and I enjoy English and History much more than Math or the sciences. So that would be cool to go to Fordham and major in Marketing, go to work for a couple years and go back to Fordham for my degree.</p>
<p>I think I'd also like to take some religious courses at Fordham, since it is a Jesuit school, and I'm interested in religious studies. Just another bonus.</p>
<p>The only thing I'm unsure is if Fordham has a reputable law school. I know the school is mostly a liberal arts school, so it can't be too bad. But is it a good enough school to get a job with possible six-figure earnings (at least to pay off loans).</p>
<p>Fordham has a great law school but there isn’t a real advantage going to Fordham for undergrad and then applying for Fordham law.</p>
<p>Considering both schools, I can’t justify the difference in education and name brand by paying 35k more to attend Fordham for an undergraduate marketing degree over Baruch. I’d choose to attend Baruch, do well, get a great LSAT and then apply to Fordham law.</p>
<p>I’m not really sure about the whole law-thing, so the most important factor is the quality of the marketing program at either Baruch or Fordham, so that’s the last thing I want to compromise. If I can’t get enough aid, I have no decision but not to go to Fordham, but I’m hoping I’ll get some merit aid. </p>
<p>Can you compare the business departments between the two schools?</p>
<p>Fordham has a much better business department regardless of major. Fordham’s undergraduate business school recently received a $25 million dollar donation from Mario Gabelli, a billionaire alumni of the school. As an undergraduate institution Fordham was ranked #56 in the nation by US News. Mario Gabelli’s $25 million dollar donation is more than 25% of Baruch College’s entire endowment ($87 million). </p>
<p>However, I am not putting down Baruch, but there just cannot be any comparison between the two schools. I would recommend applying to both schools and find out what financial aid package Fordham is offering. It also depends on your family’s financial situation - in this economy I wouldn’t recommend going into tons of debt for Fordham over Baruch. </p>
<p>Fordham also has a great law school, not that a Fordham undergrad helps one get into Fordham Law. Also, the short-term career prospects for lawyers, even graduating from a great school like Fordham law, are not too great. </p>
<p>Cliff Notes: Fordham>Baruch. Apply to both, don’t go too heavily into debt for undergrad.</p>
<p>Fordham: 50% acceptance rate, and a 38k tuition = insane. For that amount of money, I would rather go to NYU, which has the best undergraduate business program in New York, and is worth the same 38-40k. Baruch is still good for its tuition, business school, and a strong alumni.</p>
<p>JeremyS, </p>
<p>Why did you change your major to marketing? If you don’t like either accounting or finance, you may consider majoring in economics because it will better prepare you for a law school, and at least you will be able to find some kind of a job after graduation.</p>
<p>I would recommend you to get your undergraduate degree from Baruch whether it’s marketing or economics, and then go to Fordham’s law school.</p>
<p>Toshtemirov, I can see why you are defensive in this thread as a Baruch undergrad. Baruch’s acceptance rate of 23% is low, but is not an indicator that the students are of higher quality than Fordham students (according to Collegeboard’s reporting of Baruch’s undergrads high school GPA+SAT, they are actually of lower quality than Fordham’s undergrads.) Baruch’s acceptance rate is also lower than John Hopkins, University of Chicago, etc. but I doubt you would make the argument Baruch is better due to its lower acceptance rate. </p>
<p>What you seem to be getting at by talking about Fordham’s high tuition is that Baruch might offer better return on investment, and this may be the case if a student is unable to get merit or financial aid at Fordham. However, Baruch is a commuter school housed in a skyscraper. It does not offer a traditional college experience in any sense. Fordham’s business school at Rose Hill offers a more traditional college experience. Also, Fordham is renovating an old dormitory and turning it into a business school (spending $25m). Take a look at the following link and you can see a gallery about Fordham’s new undergrad business school facilities. </p>
<p>^^^ A very good point mentioned to why I want to lean towards Fordham… I’d much rather go to school in some kind of open environment rather than commuting between classes by an escalator.</p>
<p>Toshtemirov: I think I would enjoy marketing a lot more than finance… I think I would make a good marketing manager. I think marketing is a lot more conceptual thinking, compared to finance. I’m halfway through the school year with my first year of accounting and it doesn’t exactly give me a rush. I’m still investing, so finance is a second possibility.</p>
<p>I would do anything to go to New York University. Unlike a lot of people on this website, I don’t have a really impressive GPA or a 2400 SAT. So I think I would be more competitive to Fordham. I’ve also read NYU is very stingy with financial aid. Not sure about Fordham on fin. aid…</p>
<p>Also… I should make a new thread, but I’m too lazy…
Is a 167 on my first PSAT alright considering I’m shooting for Fordham?
I can’t really go by my GPA since I did pretty bad freshman year (making up for it now)</p>
<p>As someone who is pretty far removed from undergrad admissions I cannot comment on what PSAT, SAT would be necessary for a shot at NYU or Fordham or Baruch (all of which are great schools, but offer very different experiences). What I would recommend, especially if you are trying to overcome a poor GPA, is to put a lot of effort into your SAT preparation. Take more practice tests, take a Kaplan/Princeton Review/whatever namebrand SAT class and raise your score a few hundred points and it will take you a long way. If there is anything I could go back in time and communicate to my HS senior self now that I am in my 20s, it would be to study hard for the SATs. A high SAT will open many doors for you. If there is anything other question I can help you with, let me know.</p>