Frat Rankings 2013-2014

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of Michigan
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<p>Tier 1</p>

<p>Phi Psi
This place has earned its spot as one of the best frats at UMich. They take well-rounded good-looking kids who play beer pong, wear preppy clothes and can talk to girls. Throw a great football tailgate.</p>

<p>Theta Chi
A frat with a great reputation and house all over campus. Most kids are east coast who enjoy weed and other hard drugs. They are a very “cool” frat. Most girls like them a lot. </p>

<p>Tier 2</p>

<p>Pike
A frat that cares about getting girls. Spend most of their time on parties. They don’t really have brotherhood and take a lot of kids. If you’re a good looking kid, you will get a bid. They throw great tailgates.</p>

<p>Fiji
Have a big house right next to Pike. Kids are mostly athletic kids in high school who also can party. They have a solid brotherhood and are mostly lax-bros. Their tailgates are not great.</p>

<p>Aepi
Mostly awkward Jewish kids who didn’t want to do an off campus frat. They have a big house near Oxford. Most kids are extremely rich and they often take girls out to dinner and pay for it. Pledge class is the biggest on campus so the PC is often cliquey. Their tailgates are not great. Maybe getting kicked off campus/house for hazing.</p>

<p>Teir 3</p>

<p>SigEp
Mostly athletes in high school who weren’t good enough for college. They don’t have any hazing and kind of get ripped on by other frats for this. They throw nice parties at their house and have a solid tailgate.</p>

<p>Sammy
Small Jewish frat that mixes with lower tier Jewish frats like Chi-O and DG. They aren’t as jappy as AEpi, so they are respected more. They are taking over Brownstone next year for tailgates so will probably throw an okay tailgate.</p>

<p>Alpha Sig
Frat formerly known as Psi U. Have a pretty large house and a pretty great party space. If they could get girls there, it could be one of the best party spaces. Really into drugs.</p>

<p>Tier 4</p>

<p>DKE
Nerdy kids who mix with lower sororities. Close pledge class where everyone is friendly. Frat is pretty far from campus.</p>

<p>Chi Phi
Like sammy and deke, fun place to go to and socialize. A lot of the guys would bring up a group of us to their room and just smoke, talk, and chill. Don’t really throw parties or mix. </p>

<p>The rest are very hard to put in an order.</p>

<p>Off Campus Frats</p>

<p>SAE
This is a frat that was kicked off campus because of their hazing. They have a badass reputation and most of their guys are huge. They attract a lot of girls. They host the mud bowl every year, which is one of the best events on campus. Have one of the biggest houses on campus</p>

<p>ZBT/OZ
Probably the top Jewish frat on campus. Has the hottest guys and has the best tailgates out of any Jewish frats. They mix with top/middle sororities and haze very hard. They have a small house which is very close to campus but are getting a new house next year.</p>

<p>SIG
Another Jewish frat who is off campus. Most of their members are from Long Island and are referred to as “FLIDS”. They have a house that is very far away from anyone but still manage to throw decent parties. They lost brownstone this year to Sammy so they don’t have a tailgate house next year.</p>

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<p>You’re really grasping for straws at this point huh…Obviously I’m not trying to use my circumstance to prove anything in the context of overall greek GPA. Like 18-20% of guys at this school are in social fraternities, do you really think my data point moves the needle? I was clearly responding to your assertion that I was in a useless or non-competitive major, or don’t understand data, both of which aren’t true. And I have no idea what you mean with the 40% thing. If you’re asking if 40% of Ross kids get iBanking jobs, then no that’s not the case. Really iBanking is only a fraction of the people who go into finance out of undergrad. Lots of people go into sales & trading, asset management, equity research, private banking, etc. I also never made any insinuations regarding your academic or career background, but thanks for providing that for us all. Good luck in the Bay this summer, I hope for your sake they give you some equity post grad.</p>

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<p>Exactly. Your post was completely useless. Did I ever explicitly say that you were in one of those majors? No, I applied a correct generalization that describes the population in greek life. </p>

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Looks like I forgot to mention 40% of the people in your fraternity. But it’s fine at this point</p>

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As did I, I only included that in response to your brag on here. </p>

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<p>Stop backtracking, it only makes yourself look worse. You were clearly inferring that you thought I was in one of those majors and don’t understand data because I’m in greek life, and you were dead wrong. It’s also not a “correct generalization” of greek life. You should probably stop trying to make generalizations of greek life altogether considering you obviously try to not associate with people in it as much as possible. My fraternity has well over 100 people and there’s zero comm majors and one soc major who has a high GPA and is pre-law. We have engineers in every single discipline besides nuclear and naval, north of twenty kids in Ross, and multiple kids set for med school. This isn’t unique to my house either; every large fraternity has plenty of high academic achievers.</p>

<p>You don’t have any credibility trying to make gross generalizations about fraternities and argue with someone in greek life about it when you obviously do everything possible to distance yourself from the community. Just give it up, guy.</p>

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<p>Are you trying to say the average greek GPA is higher because they are more intelligent or harder working or something? Thats a joke.</p>

<p>Like I said, thank god you can go through your time here and not have to be affected by greek life at all, regardless of how “influential” they think they are…</p>

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<p>Right… but stating how most everyone on this site is an unsocial hermit was totally not a gross generalization. Got it</p>

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More intelligent isn’t a stretch at all if you agree with the notion that OOS students as a whole are more intelligent than IS students because of tougher admission standards. Greek life is over 50% OOS, and joining a fraternity or sorority doesn’t make someone dumber by association. Everyone who rips on greek life has this stereotype of someone who doesn’t care about school and won’t go anywhere in life, and they assume that stereotype to be the majority of people in the greek system. That really couldn’t be further from the truth, especially at a school like Michigan.</p>

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<p>Read through my posts again. Did I ever categorize you specifically in one of those majors? No, but did I categorize the Greek population? Yes. Learn the difference. If you’re still confused, take a statistics class. This is the second time I’m explaining it. You’re the one who’s making yourself look worse. My sentence " not bad for …" Refers to your link. Pure numbers only tell one side of the story. Different gpas mean different things based on the concentration.</p>

<p>As for knowing whether Greek kids are the type to visit this website. That is easily testable. We can wait 1 week from now and see if at least 7 unique posters(accounts at least 6 months old) respond to this thread from a frat/sorority. I realize that many accounts go inactive once college starts and people become busy, but this a very reasonable number and time frame given the thousands of Michigan greek members over past few years. Can be current student or alumni. </p>

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<p>I’m just fine with statistics, but I think you could brush up on your writing skills a bit. If that’s actually what you meant then you’ve had a few very ambiguous or misleading sentences now.</p>

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<p>I still used quotes immediately before I made that statement. But hey, this is an internet forum after all where spelling, punctuation, and grammar has the utmost importance.</p>

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While you’re at it, you should also incorporate into your argument how it is upper-middle class and white majority too. </p>

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<p>After reading through this idiotic thread, and being in one of the houses listed above I have two points. 1. This information about the stereotypes are almost 100% false. The idea that you will get a bid to theta chi if you do
Drugs, Fiji if you’re a lax bro, and most sig eps are borderline college athletes is ridiculous. Truthfully the way it really works here is there is a clear cut top 5 (Sae, phi psi, theta chi, Fiji, pike) and those top 5 are all pretty similar except for the first three possibly having a little better relationship with certain sororities. After those top 5 there is a significant drop off to the houses after them (excluding Jewish Greek life, which is essentially in a different sphere.) My second point is that Greek life absolutely dominates social life at the University of Michigan IF you are into drinking and partying. If you are not in Greek life, in general you will not party much, and that may be fine for some people. But really, it’s clear that the partying social scene absolutely revolves around Greek life, the people from my high school who didn’t go greek essentially have no social life, except maybe a couple of random house parties per month. Also, I totally agree with maizeandblue21 that Greek life gets a bad rep that is undeserved in the academic community. In my fraternity out of 100+ guys I would say over half are in either Ross, pre med, or engineering, a ratio id guess is much higher then the normal student body. Overall, this OP is a terrible post, it’s simply not accurate. Basically my main advice to freshman is if you want to party, find the Greek house that you feel you fit into the most and run with it, you will make life long friends, have a great time, and still do plenty well in school. </p>

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Yeah I mean that’s also true too. A lot of greek kids come from private schools and generally academically challenging backgrounds. That’s pretty much the norm for most OOS kids though.</p>

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<p>I’m OOS and went to a public school.</p>

<p>You don’t need to be in Greek life to have a social life because not everyone defines “social life” as getting s*** faced 3+ times a week. And even then that is completely possible without being in a frat</p>

<p>It is no surprise those within Greek life think they are more important to the university then they actually are. They generally have such stereotypes about them for a reason too. Go play any IM Sport against a frat team. Horrible experience. </p>

<p>Luckily they just represent a very small part of campus. As an engineering student I barely even know they exist. If you don’t actively seek for Greek life to have an impact on your life, it won’t. </p>

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<p>After being here for two years I would like to clarify some things. I was a winter pledge, so I had the freshman experience both with and without a fraternity for a semester. While it may be true that you don’t NEED a fraternity to have a social life, there are some misconceptions about what that entails. </p>

<p>If you are looking to party in college, and you are a guy you need to be in a fraternity. Girls can go anywhere they like to any closed fraternity party and still be fine, guys cannot. As a freshman independent, you need to be both lucky and extremely well connected to find any open parties on the weekend. I had some friends on sport teams during fall so I would sometimes go to those but its not the same atmosphere as being somewhere where you are parting with your best friends. Sport teams also rarely throw parties, and some clubs MAY do a social event every semester. I cannot stress this point enough it is NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to find a party if your a freshman male gdi. </p>

<p>While it may be true thats its only about 20% of the population, that number will seem alot bigger once you actually get here. There are some people who are introverted and keep to themselves, but if you have an ounce of social fiber at michigan you will notice them greatly. </p>

<p>I would also like to dismiss the fact that only the top 5 matter and that they are all similar that is FALSE
every person will have there own bias, but here is my experience and the general trend of the fraternities I will group the ones will similar personalities in my experience. These are also the ones who coincidentally like each other the most, because there personalities match or in the case of sigep/fiji hate each other most because they go for the same women or always confront each other.</p>

<p>Phi Psi/Pike
These places will literally just rush the people they think are the most attractive. Regardless of personality or brotherhood, its just a bunch of people the fraternity thinks are good looking. Both are extremely rich and preppy. They only care about getting girls, and have an extremely deuchy vibe. Both of these guys have massive pull, and are both generally well liked by girls. Internal divisions in house due to lack of brotherhood.
These guys don’t haze too much.</p>

<p>SAE/Theta Chi
These guys are all jacked and are crazy. If you talk to any brother from either fraternity they will tell you they were between SAE and Theta Chi. To put it in perspective, SAE just had a fire in there house. Some guys are really nice, but aren’t afraid to party there brains out. Alot of girls complain that they give off a rapey vibe, but other really hot girls love them to death as well. Every girl has a very strong opinion of them good or bad. Lots of drugs/drinking at these places as well. That being said, there brotherhood is very tight.
The hazing is considered the hardest at michigan. </p>

<p>Fiji/SigEp
These guys hate each to death but the truth is that they are pretty similar and alot were between these places. They are all pretty athletic (but definitely not varsity material). They are very chill, classy, and charming as well. Alot of lower upper tier girls like them like Skrappa, AXO, etc. They usually throw good parties. The hazing is middle, not too easy or hard. Brotherhood is solid, and they give alot of weight to things besides attractiveness. FIJI being in a hier tier will mix with hotter girls also.</p>

<p>Aepi/Sammy
This one is the easiest, both jews in greek life who like to party. Aepi will mix with hotter sororities, and is little more deucthy then Sammy, but both mix with all jewish sororities as well. The hazing here is said to be extremely hard as well. Sammy is also more in tune with greek life in general, while Aepi is close to be kicked off and doesnt even have open houses.</p>

<p>Sig/OZ
These places will exclusively mix with jewish sororities and are considered the crazier sphere of jewish fraternities. Very Long Island and wealthy jews. Both off campus, and will haze pretty hard as well.</p>

<p>Chi Phi/ Alpha Sig (Psi U)
Top of middle tier and pretty similar in terms of personality as well. Lots of kids were between both. Alot of girls in middle and lower top like them as well. Known for being down to earth and friendly kids. Throw pretty good parties. Hazing is said to be average as well. </p>

<p>other than that it really becomes a wash for fraternities. These were independent of rankings but my perspective would put the rankings like this, (off campus)
Phi Psi, (SAE)
Theta Chi, Fiji, Pike, Aepi
Sammy, (Sig), (OZ), SigEp, Alpha Sig, Chi Phi</p>

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<p>"While it may be true thats its only about 20% of the population, that number will seem alot bigger once you actually get here. "</p>

<p>No… it really won’t.</p>

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<p>“If you are looking to party in college, and you are a guy you need to be in a fraternity.”</p>

<p>That’s actually a little bit sad. I’m sorry that was/is the case for you. My own personal bias against Greek life aside, that’s just simply… not true. And if it applies to anyone reading this, seek advice because you’re doing something wrong.</p>

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<p>The more people come to try to give the “true rankings” of the frats, the deeper a hole they seem to dig. “Rapey” guys? Severe hazing? “Party[ing] there [sic] brains out?” Those kinds of descriptions, especially from those actively involved in frats, are why people look so derisively on Greek life. </p>

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<p>Yeah… but the networking!</p>

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<p>Your insecurity really shows ThisIsMichigan. </p>

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<p>^^^ Actually, ThisIsMichigan sounds a lot more secure than some of the posters on here attempting (quite laughably) to describe fraternity members. And I was a part of the Greek system at U of M (sorority) and enjoyed it. But, seriously, some of you who have posted on here should go back and read your descriptions and try to explain how you don’t come off as completely d**chey and quite frankly a poor reflection on the U of M.</p>