<p>Or felt taken advantage of or sneered by other girls?</p>
<p>Anyway, cganyard, I am not making sweeping generalizations, but rather pointing out the flaws of the greek system.</p>
<p>Tenniscraze: Can you please not post on this thread anymore? Numerous people have asked you to quit because your information is totally irrevelent and unhelpful to someone like me who is trying to gain facts about the greek system, not a biased opinion. We get it: you hate the Greek system and think it's totally flawed and it's in some way hurt you and therefor you think it should go away totally. Well, you're one of 13,000 undergrads, it has its perks to some, you being hurt is in the past and nothing can be done, and there's no way it will disband in the near future, if ever.</p>
<p>So, leave this post alone.</p>
<p>Melli: When does spring rush begin? (as in before classes start or after?) Also, could you explain a bit about how the actual rushing works? (i know you explained a bit to me earlier, but it would be helpful to everyone i'm sure)</p>
<p>Shoe:</p>
<p>Here is the link to "Recruitment 2008"
<a href="http://www.student.virginia.edu/%7Eisc-uva/index.php?section=prospective&page=recruitment%5B/url%5D">http://www.student.virginia.edu/~isc-uva/index.php?section=prospective&page=recruitment</a></p>
<p>It starts on Monday, Jan 14th. You will need to be there mid-day on Sunday, the 13th. (I know this, because I had to make flight reservations for my daughter the year that she did it.) </p>
<p>If you have any questions, pm me and I will ask my daughter.</p>
<p>After browsing through the link, I find it hard to believe that girls have to dress to impress. Although they're not required to buy a new wardrobe, as was stated in that link, there were certain requirements of how to dress for certain days. And of course, there is a lot of psychological harm that may be done to the girls, who don't realize it themselves.</p>
<p>Tenniscraze--say what you want. The extent of the rules (as stated) are to dress casually, warmly, and comfortably. And by the end of the week--wear a dress. Make it a big deal if you want--but I think that most girls can handle that stress. And if they can't decide which dress to wear.....well--they are smart and I'll bet that they can handle that too. Stop trying to make this something it isn't.</p>
<p>Do you honestly think the girls heed the advice in the link? Do you know how many times I've passed the Chapel during rush period when it was 35 degrees out and seen girls wear dresses without a coat? Is there a legitimate reason they'd do that sort of thing to themselves? Obviously foolishly trying to dress to impress...</p>
<p>Why do you care? They have a right to freaking stand out in the cold all night if they damn well please, let them do what they want. If its really like you say it is, let them see for themselves. If they are that desperate for attention, or acceptence (thats only your argument, not what I actually think) then they deserve it, but I dont think that they are. So my point: if a girl feels the need to wear a dress with no coat then she can freeze for all I care, but she has a right to do whatever she wants, and you *****ing about it or trying to "protect" her from it is only going to exacerbate the situation.</p>
<p>You need to learn that people learn by doing and if they join a frat/soro and get screwed over then thats a lesson, you can't try to protect everyone in the world from what you think is the big bad machine, we live in a free country, not the damn nanny state of your mind.</p>
<p>Lol you guys should quit responding to him. That's usually the best way to respond to blatant flame.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link. I think i'll stick with the warm clogs for the first round or two, and definently bring a coat. Are jeans and a nice top generally what is acceptable during the first round, then just improve from there? Then again, there's not much in between jeans/top and a dress during the winter.
Also, do you think they'll post which sororities will do fall rush before actual rushing begins? And when does fall rush generally begin? I'm thinking i'm just going to go with spring rush though, it seems like a better way to get to know the sororities, even though there's more competiton in a way.</p>
<p>I agree with Cav: from now on, no one respond to tenniscraze. Maybe she'll finally leave...if not, she'll look dumb, not those interested in Greek life.</p>
<p>I thought hazelorb personally told me tenniscraze was a guy...or was that Untilted?</p>
<p>Man, we should just have a thread where all of the regulars post their sexes, this gets so confusing</p>
<p>Shoe: You might want to contact the Recruitment Chair, on the link above and ask her about Fall Rush. </p>
<p>I know that the year that my daughter went through rush, I emailed the chair and they were very good about answering my questions.</p>
<p>Wow, seems like I've missed out on a bit these couple days. I've been kept crazily busy. ><"</p>
<p>Seriously folks, just ignore tenniscraze (I think it's a he? :p). I thought I could have an intelligent conversation with him, but I tried to no avail. Ah, alas and alack. :p</p>
<p>Shoe: let me dig up my old message to you since I'm too lazy to retype. </p>
<p>Themes -- by far my most favorite event. Basically you come and see the house decorated in a theme, and the sisters put on a skit that really lets the personality of the house show. </p>
<p>House tours -- you tour the house! And there's also food everywhere to eat. Take my advice and DO nibble on something. I was too scared to and it really doesn't matter to the sisters if you do eat something. Well, unless you claim the whole platter of truffles or something (yep, truffles. There are truffles!)</p>
<p>The rounds are callbacks yes, you have to go to a maximum of seven for themes and five for house tours. So if you're invited back to more than that, you have to do some pruning. If you're invited back to less, you go to all of them. In no circumstance can you miss going back to a house (it sucks miserably when you're tired), otherwise you'll be cut from rush.</p>
<p>And to fill in on the two I missed, the first round is round robins. You visit ALL the houses for 25 minutes and speak to three to four different sisters while you're in there. This is the round when the notebook and pen will be most helpful, since your head will likely be whirling after three/four houses. Or you can do what I did, just let them all run together and see which ones I remembered most strongly. The sorority I eventually pledged gave me a pleasant surprise of 'Oh, I rather liked that house and the sisters' after my round in there. That was also partially cause I was still sleepy (first round of second day) and really tired from my second day.</p>
<p>Prefs are a very respectful round. Several sisters share a deeply personal part of themselves with you. I personally was very touched by the atmosphere of subtle friendship and support that I felt throughout this round.</p>
<p>With regards to what I wore, I wore the same thing for both days of round robins. Jeans with this stretchy Japanese print top and my favorite pair of black heeled shoes. The shoes were a bad idea, my feet were seriously hurting at the end of the day since they were three inches tall. Near the end I was like 'Oh I'm so happy to be here now where's that sofa...?" :p (Because rushees get to sit on chairs in the houses while the sisters usually kneel in front of you. Yeap... kinda awkward.)</p>
<p>Themes and House tours the outfits kind of run together... I wore the same jeans and a long collared dark grey tunic. I wore the same shoes again inside the house, but slipped on half sneakers once I was out. It was kind of amusing actually, but the second round all the girls had learned to bring comfy shoes to wear whilst walking around from house to house, but would kick them off before lining up to go inside and putting heels on. It may be superficial but heels do give you some more confidence. And you'll need plenty of that. =)</p>
<p>As with the dresses, I can understand it. After a while it just becomes this huge awkward hassle to have to simultaneously greet the sister at the door, extend your hand to shake it, drop off your name card, take off your coat, and do other assorted things with your hands. Plus, each time you take that huge winter coat off you (well, I personally do) feel the urge to check my hair, tug my shirt, etc. I got fed up enough that I just ditched my coat for prefs.</p>
<p>So shoe, yes to jeans and nice top. I don't think any sororities will be doing fall rush since we're all at quota. Quota this upcoming semester is at 95 girls, and I know my sorority as well as a couple of others are at 95 or over. Fall rush is usually chalked on the ground, and I'm really hazy about fall rush details since first years weren't allowed to rush then. Sorry. :S But yeah, do spring rush. I take it you'll be an incoming second year?</p>
<p>Oh my gosh. That was a long post.. so long that three more people posted when I was typing.</p>
<p>Thanks! Yeah, I think i'll do spring rush just so I can enjoy Fall semester and get used to Hoo-life. Plus, you mentioned pledge classes are a bit more cohesive during the spring, which I liked better.
So, naturally, your post brings up questions:
1) Shoes: I love heals. I'm 6', but I still do 2" heels all the time, and I have some super comfy ones (well, comfy for heels!) I probably would wear. But how on earth did you manage to carry them around? I have a Vera B tote, put I dunno if I could fit my clogs in there. Maybe....
2) Coat: I have a NF fleece that's white, so it looks decent even when I'm dressed up, so I was just going to use that. I'm miserable when I'm cold, and I think it would show though. Did most girls not bring them?
3) I hear it's really long and stressful at times....true?
4) Any tips?</p>
<p>Girls, don't forget to secure your recs for rush....</p>
<p>recs? Man, if a sorority needs recs to find out im a good person, then, they're really not worth my time because if they need to trust someone they'll never meet to know that i'm a decent person, how should I ever expect them to trust me for me?</p>
<p>I didn't know you need recommendations.................................</p>
<p>"Because rushees get to sit on chairs in the houses while the sisters usually kneel in front of you. Yeap... kinda awkward."</p>
<p>Can I rush? That'd be sweet for a guy. Oh yeah, girl, work it.</p>
<p>Although recs aren't officially required to participate in recruitment, they can help significantly. Remember hundreds of women are going through recruitment. A rec helps one stand out.</p>
<p>"House tours -- you tour the house! And there's also food everywhere to eat. Take my advice and DO nibble on something. I was too scared to and it really doesn't matter to the sisters if you do eat something. Well, unless you claim the whole platter of truffles or something (yep, truffles. There are truffles!)"</p>
<p>Why were you too scared to eat? Why would your eating matter to the sisters anyway? Anorexia anyone?</p>