<p>GPA: 4.1 W 3.8 UW
SAT: 2070
Class Rank: 20/271
Subject Tests: 610-MII, 590-US</p>
<p>EC: Debate( Four Years, Captain) heavy dedication</p>
<p>Awards: First Place Essay Contest through Notre Dame
Dozens of debate awards</p>
<p>Letter of Rec: Longest serving teacher at the school (thirty one years) wrote his letter of rec and said that he is one of the top five students he's ever met.</p>
<p>GPA is pretty low, as is SAT. If thats the only EC, hes got no chance unless he is the greatest debater in the US and spends all of his time doing it. He needs two recs from teachers first of all, and one from guidance counselor, but even if each were like the one you described that probably wouldn’t be enough… it doesn’t matter if he’s one of the greatest people he’s ever met, he’s got to have something unique and great about him that the rec portrays. I’m saying close to no chance unless his essays are phenomenal, his debate commitment is phenomenal, and his recommendations are phenomenal.</p>
<p>Apply. I think that your GPA is excellent & that your SAT I is very competitive for Stanford University. Debate position & awards are impressive. SAT IIs are poor, however, for schools of the calibre of Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Rice & the Ivies. Stanford University looks for more than mere numbers.
Median SAT I score of matriculated students:</p>
<p>Harvard 1400
Yale 1400
Princeton 1390
Pomona 1380
MIT 1380
WashUStL 1370</p>
<p>Columbia 1360
Northwestern 1360
Swarthmore 1360</p>
<p>Duke 1340
Stanford 1340
Brown 1330
Dartmouth 1330
Penn 1330
Chicago 1330</p>
<p>Cornell 1290
Carnegie Mellon 1290</p>
<p>The above poster is completely wrong.</p>
<p>Agree with GS. If he is all of the following: white, not poor, not first-gen, not a recruit, not deprived of opportunity, then he has absolutely no chance.</p>
<p>Posts #2 & #4 are wrong. They are written by a high school student who was not admitted SCEA to Stanford & is, understandably, upset because he/she had very high numbers.</p>
<p>Coldwind, the SAT scores you posted weren’t the median, but the 25th percentile.</p>
<p>First of all, I did get admitted SCEA, and second of all, you clearly have no concept of Stanford admissions. The numbers you provided for median SAT I score are completely meaningless, they are on a 1600 scale and he gave no breakdown, out of 2400. One EC will not cut it unless it takes up all of his time and he is unbelievable at it. The SAT IIs almost disqualify this applicant immediately. ColdWind, you should not be dispensing advice when you have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>he is definitely one of the top twenty debaters in the country at the moment. he is hispanic, but not a first gen, poor, etc. he wants to have no chance btw, but his parents are making him apply. he really doesn’t want to go, and this thread is actually making him happy because that way his parents won’t force him to go if he gets in.</p>
<p>If he has that attitude he definitely won’t get in. Being hispanic will help a lot. If he writes great essays, essays that show the exact opposite of his feelings for Stanford, he may very well get in. But if he is going to apply, it makes no sense for him to not give his all in the application. If he is that great at debate, he may be able to do this.</p>
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<p>100% pwned.</p>
<p>GimmeStanford…</p>
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<p>That’s just mean. You should not be so discouraging. Everyone has a chance.</p>
<p>^ Yes some are just significantly lower than others</p>
<p>There’s also the chance that a meteorite destroys your house tomorrow. Don’t confuse being mean with being realistic. False hope is not good hope.</p>
<p>And if you pay attention to my other post, you would see that I am not so discouraging at all.</p>
<p>“The SAT IIs almost disqualify this applicant immediately”. - no they wont… sat II’s aren’t even required. SAT scores aren’t everything…</p>
<p>So what if they aren’t required? He’s taken them, they’re there, and they’ll hurt him. Competitive SAT IIs are at least in the 700’s, a sub 600 score and one just above shows both that the course work isn’t very rigorous, and that he is not academically prepared for the rigors of Stanford.</p>
<p>If I were him, I’d take the ACT and not send in the SAT score report.</p>