<p>This is some terrible stuff, but it has to be shown...</p>
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<p>Please spread the message and tell people what is really going on.</p>
<p>Oh my god, that was the most disgusting and horrible thing I've seen in a long, long time. I still cannot get over the sight of that skinned, beaten racoon blinking towards the camera, and then rolling over.</p>
<p>I had no idea what kind of conditions these animals were kept in. It's disgusting what people will do for vanity...</p>
<p>I am not brave enough to click on the link. But cruelty to animals says a lot about humanity...and how far we still have to go.</p>
<p>^^ heh, indeed - unfortunately, there are much worse things that I think need attention. People are way too apathetic about such things; it's really quite sad.</p>
<p>I have to agree with Icarus.</p>
<p>I am a military buff, and here let me tell you something that you've never seen but you should see.</p>
<ol>
<li>US Apache helicopter's 30mm cannon round hitting a person.</li>
<li>US M82A1 Anti-material sniper hitting a person.</li>
<li>wound caused by .45 ACP.</li>
<li>shotgun wound to the head.</li>
<li>wound caused by anti-aircraft gun to the head.</li>
<li>the soviet soilders who had to attack a fortess 3 minutes after a nuclear explosion in an execise to stimulate their planned attack on NATO.</li>
<li>Tank crew killed by US SABOT round (basically a person get sucked out from a pencil thin hole)</li>
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<p>There are so many terrible things out there, and one thing I dislike about our society is that it tend to raise attention on certain relatively trivial aspects of inhumanity, ignoring the really bad stuff (war that is).</p>
<p>I have no opinion on war actually. Weapons are designed to achieve maximum efficiency on killing, but it's who are being killed that matters.</p>
<p>One thing's got nothing to do with another. War is a fact of life. I'm sure that the person that got the shotgun wound to the head died instantly. These are harmless animals with no rights being skinned alive for fur. </p>
<p>If you really don't care because of your stupid "lesser of two evils" argument, there's nothing really i can or want to say to you. I'm just hoping that out of all you, maybe one or two people will take the message to heart and spread the word.</p>
<p>I do not think you can, or should put an animal's life on equal footing with a human's life, especially a non-domisticated/pet animal. Granted, if the killing of an animal for food/fur/etc. is done in a way to maximize pain, I'm all against it, and I'm all for as humane of deaths as possible, but there are people who earn a living in the fur industry, in food processing, and it's not like we're killing animals just for the sake of killing them. They are being used to make something people need. </p>
<p>For example, my best friend's family runs a mink ranch. They are by no means millionaires, they just blue-collar working people trying to make a living, yet they had to spend extra money on security equipment/etc. because groups like PETA would sabotage their business. I'm sorry, but when you start trying to destroy people's livliehood, it's hard for me to support your cause.</p>
<p>PETA has started a campaign against Jennifer Lopez's for wearing furs, similar to the above link. </p>
<p>I am not a vegetarian by any standards, but I still feel that brutally maiming and killing animals so some rich snooty person can wear a fur is downright ludicrous. I watched part of a video on their and I had to stop because it was too saddening. These animals are being skinned alive - do any of these people have any morals? I guess when you are poor you have to go to desperate measures to survive but still... </p>
<p>I know PETA is known for some outrageous and reprehensible actions, but I've really lowered my level of respect for JLo as a result of this website.</p>
<p>Hunter - I don't personally know your best friend's family (obviously) but anyone that makes a living torturing and skinning animals alive is no one I want to be associated with at all. It's the same as the people who work in Big Tobacco - how do any of these people go to sleep at night knowing their product KILLS people and ruins families. It's just nonsense and I won't support any of it.</p>
<p>-kittens forced into tiny glass cubes called "art"</p>
<p>Lindsaylu</p>
<p>Don't believe everything you see on the internet.</p>
<p>ok, it did look kind of bogus. even if its not real, this is what people do for fun--make up this kind of stuff</p>
<p>Crypto, they weren't bad people, they weren't in the business so they can torture animals. They weren't getting their jollies watching animals die, they were trying to make a living, and were providing something that people wanted. You cannot make the statement, and I think that's the problem here, that if the animal dies, they were also tortured. That is not the case, and while there are the horrible cases like PETA shows, that's not the universal standard. Someone has to do the work others don't like. </p>
<p>And again, I reiterate that I don't think we can put animal life on equal footing as human life. For example, I'd be upset if I accidently ran over a squirl while driving, but not nearly as upset if I hit a person while driving. Yes, I would love to see people who torture and kill animals for the sake of killing locked away in some dank cell, but if the animal provides some necessary or wanted component of human life and it's killed as humanely as possible, it's not the same as killing a person.</p>
<p>Your squirrel argument is irrelevant. That situation is an accident. The slaughtering of live animals for profit is intentional. And I hardly call a fur coat a "necessity of life" now that we have synthetic materials that are warmer and much cheaper than fur.</p>
<p>"Someone has to do the work others don't like." Again, I don't consider skinning an animal alive for fashion purposes "work". I just hate the idea of Big Tobacco employees and corportate criminals sleeping at night knowing their product kills people or their "cooking the books" screws retirees out of all their savings.</p>
<p>You could claim I'm a hypocrite because I eat meat and how are cows and pigs treated in meat farms. I'll accept those charges. But at least I use the meat for sustainment rather than fur as a fashion statement.</p>
<p>"they weren't in the business so they can torture animals."</p>
<p>That is true. Contract killers are not in the business of killing people. Child pornographers are not in the business of exploiting children. They just want to make some money.</p>
<p>I'm sure that the person that got the shotgun wound to the head died instantly.</p>
<p>Actually, you can't assume this - I've seen cases where this isn't true. The shot basically blows away the entire face, and it is a ripped and bleeding mess, but the opening to the trachea is still intact somehow and they are still alive.
You can't even assume that gunshot wounds to the head are instant deaths. If you think bullets go straight through a body, you're wrong. And it does happen where the bullet will go in one side of the skull, travel around the perimeter, and back out the other end, without killing the person. People who attempt suicide by putting the gun under their chin usually only succeed in blowing their face off, without ever touching the brain.</p>
<p>And as for the animal thing, I would much rather that someone is being intentionally cruel to animals than intentionally cruel to humans. hunter is right - you cannot even begin to put animal life on the same footing as human life.</p>
<p>we are human and we eat food. we kill each other to maximumize the chance of our gene to pass on another.</p>
<p>It's all about media spin. Somehow killing a human for a righteous cause is better than killing an animal for money? Personally, I believe we should not kill under ANY circumstances. Terrorists killed because of their idealogy, and we are killing because of ours. </p>
<p>Personally I think we shall focus our energy to do good for the humanity. Just like hunter said, if a person's life is behind endangered due to the PETA, the PETA is indeed doing bad things for humanity.</p>
<p>Last reminder, contract killers kills HUMAN, same do child pornographers (they exploit human). By using that analogy you suggest animal life is equal to human life (which is not).</p>
<p>Last of all, I heard one very interesting quote from a medical professor</p>
<p>"We prefer to use prison immates as our experimental subjects because they are much cheaper to use than animals and they cause less negative media exposure."</p>
<p>sad but true.</p>
<p>also, most of our military weapons do not cause instant death. You can be shot by a 12.7mm to the chest and have all your organs torn out from your body cavity, but it takes seconds to die.</p>
<p>the only instantaneous death is caused by nuclear weapon (if you are setting on it when it blows)</p>
<p>Here is a real story, a ship captian was shot in the heart. he struggled for 4 mins before his death. his pain was so intense that his struggle left marks on the ship's interior. (wound in heart cause very intense pain, but wound in brain does not cause pain at all)</p>
<p>Listen, if you hit a deer in truck most likely the deer is going to die; in that case of course I want the human to survive, because the incident was an ACCIDENT. In accidents, human life IS more important than animal life. But in cases where that isn't so (like skinning animals alive intentionally for profit) such behavior is complete garbage. What if someone took your cat and skinned her alive because someone wants to sell that skin to someone who will make a fur coat - I'm sure you would be EXTREMELY against that. Well, then what's the difference here. If you think that skinning animals alive for the purpose of making fashion statements is acceptable, then I think you are pathetic. Do I need to make it any more clear?</p>
<p>Blackdream you make in interesting point about instant death... I would think the only way to get truly a feeling of instant death (though technically it would not be instant) would be a blow big enough to destroy the brain before we could process anything had happened. Of course that still would not be instant death, as the body would not grind to a sudden halt, it would take a few seconds for the person to die. I suspose an atomic blast could cause instant death, as it would instantly cremate the person.</p>
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Blackdream you make in interesting point about instant death... I would think the only way to get truly a feeling of instant death (though technically it would not be instant) would be a blow big enough to destroy the brain before we could process anything had happened.
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<p>Instant incapacitation or death does not necessarily come from a blow only to the brain. It must be concentrated or powerful enough to either sever the Central nervous system or destroy the brain stem, both of which will cause instant incapacitation or death. There have been many people who have survived something as bad as a direct gunshot wound to the head because the brain stem was not damaged and most functions were not lost.</p>