gays @ ND

<p>manutd,
Going to a jesuit school myself, I have been required to read quite a few ignation books. I can find some of my favorites and tell you the titles if you likee... but Irish is right, they are definitly not completely aligned with the catholic church on all issues....................... just as some of the phoenix community has labeled our school as promoting a "Church of Liberalism".</p>

<p>That definitely can happen, especially at Jesuit colleges. You should see my friends from Creighton now...the difference is night and day in a lot of ways. Some of it I think is a little crazy, they would argue it is for the better though, so it probably is.</p>

<p>Thankfully the young men who are entering the Jesuits are from the JP II generation and are more conservative and in line with rRome than their babyboomer counterparts</p>

<p>I think the religious in the Church in general are moving more conservative, which I welcome. I like seeing so many new orders wearing habits and things of that nature!</p>

<p>Not to re-open this topic too much as it had gotten off topic but I thought that you all may find this change in Catholic dogma interesting:</p>

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A Vatican committee that spent years examining the medieval concept published a much-anticipated report Friday, concluding that unbaptized babies who die may go to heaven.</p>

<p>That could reverse centuries of Roman Catholic traditional belief that the souls of unbaptized babies are condemned to eternity in limbo, a place that is neither heaven nor hell. Limbo is not unpleasant, but it is not a seat alongside God.

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<p>As such the nature of what the church teaches as dogma does change based upon the revealed truth as interpreted by Rome. Not that I am suggesting that the church will change dramatically but this change distinguishes them from other Protestant religions.</p>

<p>For the article this quote came from see:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-limbo21apr21,1,7727834.story?ctrack=1&cset=true%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-limbo21apr21,1,7727834.story?ctrack=1&cset=true&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>This is from the LA Times and is free but requires registration.</p>

<p>Thanks Eagle (really) that is interesting!</p>

<p>Eagle, when this announcement was made (about babies not being in "limbo" if they are not baptized), I was thinking of this thread because earlier on I did in fact state that the Church policy and teachings can change over time, but rec'ed feedback that nothing will change no matter what. Thanks for the post.</p>

<p>I'm pretty sure the Church teaches that homosexual activity is always considered objectively disordered and evil. I don't know how that can be altered by your moral relativism.</p>

<p>In fact I don't believe limbo was ever an official teaching of the church</p>

<p>I agree AlDomerDad, I don't think that the Church's homosexuality can or will ever be changed. That isn't to say that other views can't be changed, as this may illustrate (I suppose that is up for debate) but for sure anything which has been spoken on infallibly is never changing. I am not sure if homosexuality has, but I am leaning towards yes. I just haven't had time to look into it though, honestly.</p>

<p>BTW, above, when I said homosexuality I meant homosexual activity, not simply being a homosexual.</p>

<p>One thing that worries me some is I think that in the near future (next pope perhaps) there will be a change in the Church's view on contraception. I do not believe this should happen, but I believe it will. The Church can change...however it doesn't always mean that it is right, and I would debate if it is right if they do change the view on contraception.</p>

<p>I am not suggesting that the church will change their view on homosexuality or a number of other issues. Just that their view is not etched in stone and the teaching and dogma of the church can change based upon the revealed truth guided by the holy spirit.</p>

<p>FWIW, I think that is the reason Philosophy and Theology are taught at all the Catholic colleges. It helps the members of the church discuss and expand the understanding of the church.</p>

<p>If you are gay, please don't come to ND. The gay lifestyle completely contradicts the Catholic Church. And Notre Dame is the Vatican's branch in the US. A group of gay people came here in March and tried to throw their weight around. We didn't put up with it. I think one kid was suspended. Go somewhere else.</p>

<p>As an aside, Limbo was never defined as a doctrine of the Church, it was a traditional concept that Catholics were free to believe or not. If anyone wants an appropriate source for authentic Catholic teaching (rather than this college board), visit <a href="http://www.catholic.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.catholic.com&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p>

<p>Oh please, NDFreak7, don't say "we didn't put up with it" as though your humble opinion matters somehow. YOU probably didn't have anything to do with it. Why can't we, as Catholics, just focus on being good people for ourselves? Must we constantly judge the relationships/lifestyles/preferences of others? One day we will all face judgement and it is at that time that we will be accountable. Let each individual worry about his/her own fate and focus our own energies on being good Catholics. </p>

<p>To Caliboi: I hope this forum has provided a good insight into how close-minded, elitist, and judgmental some people associated with the university are. I must say, however, that I and others would welcome you with open arms.</p>

<p>NDFreak7, if that was a joke, I didn't get it. If you were serious and that actually is your attitude then I am led to believe that you are a really awful person.</p>

<p>please tell me most people don't feel the same way ndfreak does.</p>

<p>Yeah; PrincessND it truly does show the wide range in mindsets at Notre Dame; and people such as yourself are the ones helping ND strsay from this concept of closed-mindedness; so I commend you, really. I visited Notre Dame and seriously saw a large amount of gay people on campus. To be honest, whether or not I am accepted by the majority of the student body will not affect my decision regarding ND. I am going to attend whatever college suits me best, and if ND happens to be that college, then to be blunt I could care less what the ND haters think of me and my lifestyle-It's not a choice it is a way of life. So hopefully this forum has come full circle in understanding that obviously this is a very touchy subject for Domers, and ultimately, it is my own decision to make whether or not I wish to become a Domer myself; but people such as NDFreak certainly illustrate that not all ND students are as bright and comprehensive as the admissions overview reveals.</p>

<p>"The gay lifestyle completely contradicts the Catholic Church."...I am pretty sure that bashing gay people is very against Catholic teachings.</p>

<p>good point^ isn't being Catholic (or any religion for that matter) supposed to be about caring for other people? </p>

<p>I'll admit, it took me a little while in high school to get used to the idea that some of my peers were gay (I've been raised Catholic, and still am). But as I've gotten a lot closer to them - one of them is one of my absolute best friends - I see that each one is worth more than 100 average straight people put together. All of them have shown me nothing but unwavering love, and a part of me would feel empty if there aren't any gay people to be friends with this coming fall (since I'll be a freshman at ND).</p>

<p>So if you do come to ND, I'll not only be your friend, I'll freakin love you!!!</p>

<p>and after reading a little more of this topic, I think I've figured out one of the sources of conflict: so many ND people went to private Catholic school and never encountered gay people, or even people of other religions for that matter. I've gone to public school my whole life and learned about so many cultures, which I love. I think it's just a matter of these private school kids never meeting any non-Catholic kids. </p>

<p>My family is VERY Catholic and VERY Republican.. so I'm really not "eclectic," I'm relatively very conservative for my community..</p>