<p>lealdragon,</p>
<p>I'm somewhat in agreement with smallz here. Your sources are the equivalent of a creationist offering up something from Dr. Dino as proof. I think some variety in sources is called for.</p>
<p>when you guys show these websites, you only are making yourselves look dumb.</p>
<p>sad thing is Liberals will believe anything they are told.</p>
<p>If all of these sites were creditable then we would here something from creditable news sources. Such are AP and Reuters. Even if the Government were to silence US media, we would still hear this from other organizations around the world. It would be of no greater pleasure for a axis of ours to report it and accredit it, Then the Untied States would then be most vulnerable. You people need to listen to yourselves.</p>
<p>I remember watching one of these videos, They were talking about no plan debris on the pentagon lawn, while the pictures they showed, were showing plan debris</p>
<p>Grow up Kids.</p>
<p>Boy, not to push any kind of stereotype, right UB? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>And considering that I am liberal minded, that basically throws out your whole "argument", though you can't call it htat.</p>
<p>sad thing is conservatives sink to the level of personel mud slinging instead of coming up with their own fact-based attacks.</p>
<p>Vinny,</p>
<p>Cool it.</p>
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<p>And considering that I am liberal minded, that basically throws out your whole "argument", though you can't call it that.</p>
<p>sad thing is conservatives sink to the level of personnel mud slinging instead of coming up with their own fact-based attacks.</p>
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<p>funny I always thought it was the other way around. We never hear republican politicians degrading democrats, its always the other way around. We don't hear republicans politicians calling liberals idiots, or them digging up info to make them look worse.</p>
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<p>Are you kidding me? Mudslinging comes from all sides of the aisle, so don't try and take some high and mighty stand that your not apart of it. Have you ever heard of O'reilley, Limbaugh? </p>
<p>WHat's really funny, is that your quote is degrading democrats, kinda a oxymoron. You disproved your own statement with that very statement.</p>
<p>read it carefully.</p>
<p>politicians</p>
<p>somehow you must have edited that out.</p>
<p>Yea...sure....it was by no chance you that edited that in?</p>
<p>If you're gonna call me a plagerist, do it. ANd don't dance around the subject like child.</p>
<p>ANd your childish move to edit that post and insert another term to undermine a debate is fool-hearty, immature, and repugnant.</p>
<p>lol, that word really upsets you. Man why don't u email an admin and ask if I editited it. You wont because you know you did.</p>
<p>My post was 4 minutes before yours and I never touched it.</p>
<p>ur a looser,</p>
<p>Quit flirting ladies...</p>
<p>Everyone has missed the whole point.</p>
<p>I am NOT trying to convince anyone of anything, other than to look into this themselves.</p>
<p>I am NOT presenting anything as 'proof' - only as compelling anomalies of the 'official story' that, at the very least, warrent further investigation.</p>
<p>To write all of these things off because you already have your mind made up is just as foolish as gullibly believing everything you hear.</p>
<p>If you would read my comments on my 'Seeking Physics Schlars' thread you would know that, until recently, I was the one arguing on the other side of the fence. It was only when I saw the outward explosions on the towers and read the stuff about freefall that I began to take this seriously. Even now, I am not certain what I believe. I am not a scientist so I can't say anything conclusively. I am not qualified to debate the evidence.</p>
<p>What I AM saying is that there is enough here that it deserves to be investigated. If all you conservatives truly 'love your country' and value your liberties, which includes the right to question our govt., then you should do your part and at least look at the info with an open mind.</p>
<p>If there is any truth to these allegations, then we should think of ourselves as Americans first, instead of dividing ourselves according to political idealogy.</p>
<p>No one has yet provided an intelligent rebuttal to how the towers could have fallen at the same rate as if they had NO resistance (other than air). Unless you can offer an explanation of that, you really are just blowing hot air.</p>
<p>And, many of the professors that are asking these questions are neither dumb nor liberal. BYU is about as conservative as you can get.</p>
<p>I would have thought that people on a college discussion board would be more willing to discuss a topic intelligently and with an open mind.</p>
<p>What a disappointment.</p>
<p>I actually did offer a challenge and a plea on my other thread. You may think that I am trying to convince you of this, but you are wrong. </p>
<p>What I am trying to do is get someone to actually look at this data and offer a viable explanation, so that I don't have to believe the conspiracy theorists.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks that the conspiracy theorists are just stupid is only showing their own stupidity.</p>
<p>I don't WANT to believe the conspiracy theorists! But no one here is willing to scrutinize their allegations with an open mind and scientific process.</p>
<p>You cannot compare their info with the creationists. The creationists use the bible to back up their beliefs. That is circular logic and is worthless, because only people who believe in the bible will find their arguments of value.</p>
<p>This is different. They are offering simple math and science anomalies that simply cannot be explained by the 'official story.'</p>
<p>I guess even college students and parents of college students are afraid to question and afraid to seek truth on their own. They are content to believe what they've been fed. That's really sad.</p>
<p>This is beginning to be a waste of time. I've provided all the links. If you truly are an intelligent seeker of truth, then do your part and check out the info.</p>
<p>If not, if you are content to accept what you've been fed, then there's no point in discussing this.</p>
<p>"hey were talking about no plan debris on the pentagon lawn, while the pictures they showed, were showing plan debris"</p>
<p>If you had watched the whole video, you would know that there was very little plane debris, and it didn't match the type of plane that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon. There were no scorch marks on the lawn, and in order to make the hole that size it would have had to be flying nearly level with the ground, which would have left scorch marks. And, the hole was too small, and there was no damage on either side from the wings. The size just didn't match, the angle didn't match, and the debris didn't match.</p>
<p>The Pentagon is the most heavily surveiled place in the country. The govt. could put all this to rest by simply releasing the video footage of the plane. They have only released 1 video and all it shows is a big ball of fire. The roof of the Pentagon has cameras at every angle. They DO have video footage that would show the actual plane. Why don't they just release it and we'll all shut up. Oh, and maybe they can explain what happened to the plane while they're at it.</p>
<p>Vinny,</p>
<p>I think maybe you were too young to remember the Clinton years... or something. But there was plenty of mudslinging from the GOP then that was aimed at both Clinton and the Democrats. It's not hard to find the GOP saying awful things about the Democrats. </p>
<p>But when you're the party in power, you don't do that. That's what opposition parties do.</p>
<p>ARG</p>
<p>Fine, UB, so the standard you hold toward politiceans isn't toward your own political beliefs? If you think republican politiceans don't degrade democrats...shouldent you hold yourself to the same standard you hold your dear republican congressmen?</p>
<p>so the kad misspppelleded POLITICIANS! big whip!</p>
<p>I don't know what your talking about zip, I wasn't emphasizing the spelling, I was emphasizing the fact that if he thinks Politiceans themselves don't mudlsing, why does he.</p>
<p>yes you were! You put the word in italics. I hate it when you say that you dont know what im talking about because it always makes me look bonkers</p>
<p>Zip, you're completely insane, how could I emphasize it's spelling when I spelled it wrong?</p>