Girls...WTH?

<p>Ouch, MissMichelle, you sound like a tough nut to crack. I've always been down with the smart, independent women, though: I'd have you wrapped around my finger in less than a week, probably a day!</p>

<p>I am glad you know that a tall order you've put in for the guys. Especially a tough one for late blooming guys which better educated ones often are. Do you date above your age group? The poor guys at your age have to wait until they're upperclassmen perhaps to get a shot at the likes of you.</p>

<p>Oh, and about above: either you'd be around my finger -- or kicking my ass! If I lived in Purdue, I am sure I'd want to give it a shot. I'd be up for the challenge.</p>

<p>"Ouch" is a pretty good summation. I think I just lost a good friend bc he didn't know what he was getting into...prob would have been better off going through a garbage disposal than me :(<br>
EDIT: I "dated" him for a week, but he was just too afraid to do anything at all...nothing horrible happened; he had been infatuated since I met him in early August, though, so I think his heart is temporarily broken, poor kid</p>

<p>good thing you added the second outcome...had you said that to my face, you prob would have regretted it shortly thereafter :D </p>

<p>And yes, I do prefer older guys bc the ones my age are still boys, not men, and I'm pretty sure that's more in line with what I keep describing</p>

<p>And, it's good you like a challenge since we ladies love to be chased...</p>

<p>hahaha...</p>

<p>wow</p>

<p>...I thnk we should make a "Guys...WTH" thread. All in favor, say "Aye (10 char)".</p>

<p>Doarkface: I'll give you "aye."</p>

<p>MissMichelle: Well, you cats like to be chased, and the dogs in us like to chase (if you've heard the Parliament song "Why must I be like that....?"). Officially speaking, I am after your tail. So, do you ever make it to NYC, 'cause I get there a lot? (and I am only kinda kidding.) ; )</p>

<p>BedHead: Are you a grad student at Princeton? Because you know, if you started an undergraduate training thing here, you could have yourself a business opportunity...</p>

<p>This thread TRULY brings the LOL.</p>

<p>sauron: (magically brings out his deck) Behold! the INVINCIBLE DECK OF XERCIXENOBIA!!</p>

<p>yugi: u wretched slave of ur passions! do u really think ur little deck of urs scare me?</p>

<p>sauron: HA HA HA how- (pauses for couple seconds) i haven't got a thing to say.. **** it. </p>

<p>yugi: sauron, lives had been lost because of u inability to recognize their point of view in life. that there is something much more powerful than power has never entered ur mind</p>

<p>sauron: I-...damn u. i still haven't got a thing to say.</p>

<p>yugi: since u are behaving like this, sauron, u leave me no choice. i shalt have to beat u to teach u a lesson. </p>

<p>(a gush of wind sweeps by sauron and the deck of cards that was on his hands fly away)</p>

<p>yugi: (as the cards disperse in slow motion, yu-gi concentrates on identifying these cards) hmmm...</p>

<p>sauron: oh no!! my cards!!!!!! </p>

<p>(yugi swiftly runs over and collects them all.)</p>

<p>yugi: (flings his own deck to sauron as he reshuffles the cards he had caught)let us duel sauron. on equal grounds shall we. u're the most shameful bully in history:picking on kids my size.</p>

<p>sauron: noooooooo!! give me back my deck!!!!!(weeps) please!!please!!!!!! yu-gi. give it to me please!!! ahhhhh</p>

<p>yugi: ha ha!! now i am the Dark Lord. i have the invincible deck. no one can challenge me!!
yami: u fool! how stupid of u. u came here to destroy the deck and instead ur enslaved by it!!</p>

<p>(to be continued)</p>

<p>yea, lol at this thread..but I have a few questions of my own. I have this girl friend who I like but I have not said anything to her. I think she knows that I like her, and I get the feeling she likes me too. She has invited me to come with her to a church's group ski trip..I dont know if she is being nice or playing with me? Here is the kicker though, I saw on facebook today, that she changed her relationship status to it's complicated with some other guy. This is why I am not too sure about her,...do you guys think I should ask her straight up if she likes me and wants to be my girlfriend?</p>

<p>Are you sure you're the "some other guy" in this case? It sounds like you are, but it seems like a strange thing for her to do, to make something so public like that without getting more of a sign from you. There are a lot variables here. I would get her aside, and in a romantic moment, when the mood is right try to kiss her, you know, after talking to her for awhile maybe getting closer and being obviously interested. Declarations like "I like you" are best made when you are close and being affectionate. If she doesn't respond the right way, you have your answer. But it sounds like it will be going the way you want it. It's hard to say, though, if she's really into church, maybe even trying to kiss would seem too forward to her. I would go for it, though. Good luck.</p>

<p>Hah, so since most of the guys seem to be posting on this thread, I think I'll ask a question. There's a guy in one of my classes who has given me his phone number and invited me to study with him. We've also eaten lunch together. The catch is that according to facebook, he has a gf. Does his behavior mean that he's simply looking for a friend or what?</p>

<p>The best thing to do is just talk to them about it. It's hard...trust me, I know (I had to bring up a very nervous discussion last week)...but it's really the only way to know where the other person is in the relationship/friendship/whatever.</p>

<p>kjanebarnum: It's hard to say without more information, but let me narrow down what I think the possibilities are:</p>

<p>1) It is quite possible he just wants to be friends.
2) He may be on the outs with his girlfriend (whether he completely knows it or not) and have a thing for you.
3) He may want to have a fling with you (whether he knows it or not) and may or may not have a thing for you.</p>

<p>It may be a combination of one or more of the above because he may not really be thinking about what he really wants.</p>

<p>These are actually pretty obvious possibilities (the ones I laid out above), since they are basically the universe of possibilities as I see them. The question is: how do you proceed?</p>

<p>One path would be just to respond to his friendliness and, if you were interested in him, see if he ratcheted up his attentions to you. If he does, you have to decide whether you want to ask him about his "facebook girlfriend" or whether you want to let that be something you don't tell him you know. The risk in not telling him that you know is that, if you became in any way physically involved with him (even just a kiss), then you have to deal with the fact that he has a girlfriend. He might not want to break up with her. Then you might become a girl on the side. How would you feel about that or him, in this case? Women seem to have complicated feelings about that status depending on a) whether they really like the guy (in which case they don't want to be a fling on the side b) whether their sense of ethics/morality would allow them to do that. </p>

<p>I don't know you, but I guess that you would probably want the field to be clear with him -- ie, he's not in a relationship -- before you became involved in any way. If that is the case, you have to figure when to tell him you know he has a girlfriend: a) before you've developed more of a friendship or kissed or whatever, b) after you're sure he really likes you in a way more than just friendship or until he's kissed you; or c) only after you've become even more involved.</p>

<p>If you are interested in him, what may be your best outcome -- and could happen -- is that he starts feeling amorous towards you and brings up his girlfriend himself and tells you about the relationship (solid, failing, etc). Then you could tell him what you want. </p>

<p>Or he may just bring up his girlfriend to signal to you that it's a number 1 situation (from above).</p>

<p>If his girlfriend is on campus or close by, it should be possible one way or another to find out whether it's still a real thing. Not by spying, but just asking questions of him or paying attention on other ways. If she's not around and it's a long distance thing, that makes number 2 and 3 in the possibilities I gave more likely. People get lonely. They look to those around for companionship or more.</p>

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The best thing to do is just talk to them about it. It's hard...trust me, I know (I had to bring up a very nervous discussion last week)...but it's really the only way to know where the other person is in the relationship/friendship/whatever.

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<p>I think this is really good advice in general, but if you are not sure what his feelings for you really are, it may be premature to bring this up. I would wait until you've gotten a clearer sense of what he is looking for. This would be from how he treats you, whether asks you to do things that are more girlfriend-like things, or tries to become affectionate. But if you are falling for him, you may need to bring it up with him sooner rather than later.</p>

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1) It is quite possible he just wants to be friends.

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<p><em>confused</em></p>

<p>I thought we established earlier in this thread that guys never never never never "just want to be friends" and if you're a girl and you think that for any reason, you are 1) a complete idiot deserving of ridicule and 2) completely at fault for the guy being remotely upset by the whole situation because you're just being a b*tch and leading him on. Can we please all be on the same page?</p>

<p>BlahDeBlah: Wow, somebody take your meds away? </p>

<p>I assume you're being ironic, though it was a pretty harsh post. And not particularly funny, just to give you some feedback.</p>

<p>Even if you stick with the premise that all that guys really want is to have sex, there are a lot of guys who wouldn't lead a woman on knowingly if they were involved in another relationship and/or who would scrupulously keep things at a friendship level (even if on some other level they had other cravings). Ethics play a role. It's not all just about basic instincts.</p>

<p>Well sorry if I dislike being attacked, called an idiot, and/or laughed at every time I point out that I thought my guy "friends" actually though of me as a friend and not a conquest. If the people who started out posting in this thread are going to go around claiming that the only reason a guy would ever speak to you is because he wants to eventually sleep with you, and they're also going to claim that it's always the girl's fault for not being able to read their minds and discern this information (when they don't give any actual signs of it), and then you are going to come along and say, well maybe that guy just wants to be friends with you, then obviously there is some sort of disconnect.</p>

<p>So it comes down to this: I do not have a problem with having male friends, but I do not want a boyfriend. What, then, am I suppose to do? It seems to me so far that what I have to do is avoid talking to anyone of the opposite gender for any reason ever. Then on the other hand we have people saying oh gee maybe he wants to be friends with you, which totally contradicts that, meaning that I can talk to them and attempt to be friends with them and whatnot. Oh but then we come back around to the first group, where this action is 'leading them on' and I'm stupid for ever even thinking that they would want my friendship. So what's the best course of action? And don't tell me to change my mind about wanting a boyfriend...I don't want one...pretend I'm a lesbian if this concept is too hard to grasp for you (as it is for very, very many people).</p>

<p>Have you ever seen the movie from the late 80s When Harry Met Sally? Whether you like it or not (not my favorite), one of its themes is the question of whether a man and woman can ever be friends, given the underlying sexual tensions that are inevitably there on one or both sides. It's a fair question.</p>

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<p>You are quite right: there may be a disconnect. Oh, I thought you were a guy. I think I would have responded differently had I known otherwise.</p>

<p>It seems to me that the easiest way to avoid what happens/ed to you is at some point to talk about really directly, thus: "You know, John, I really like you, but you do know that I have no interest in having a boyfriend, right?" "Right, John?" "You are a close friend, but that is all." " I am not trying to play hard to get or being coy, I really am not."</p>

<p>Maybe you have done that. In some cases even that might not be enough. And in other cases, you may need to periodically remind them, which is awkward in several respects. The guy's feelings may change (and turn more lu****l or loving) and he may assume that yours are changing at the same time as his are (which happens a lot too).</p>

<p>It may be that almost always or often there is an underlying sexual tension/connection that occurs when men and women talk. I am not talking about an explicit urge to have sex, something more subtle. But that doesn't mean everytime a guy talks to a woman that he is hoping for/expecting sex. Statistically speaking, he may think about it, but that's also true of women according to the same statistics (just not AS true). </p>

<p>And even if there is sexual tension, it doesn't mean it will be acted on. One of my closest female friends developed a huge crush on me and I actually was really, really in love with her in a way. But I KNEW we'd make a lousy couple and I valued our friendship more than the great time I knew I'd have in bed with her; I resisted the urge to sleep with her, sometimes just barely. Her crush passed and then she got a boyfriend. One time I told her "sometimes I thought I just should have slept with you." And she told me it would have killed her. We lived in a state of superbly elevated sexual tension, but we didn't cave into it, and for obvious reasons I am really glad we didn't. [Ha, there was one time I had called a mutual friend and told him that she was coming over to hang at my house and that I didn't think I could resist her. We both agreed that I should rub one out, though I can't remember if I actually did.] She's still a close friend, though the driven energy of wanting to be together isn't as palpable as it was when the underlying sexual tension was there.</p>

<p>If a guy blames you for leading him on, I take it it's a situation in which you've just told him that you're not interested. He may have hazarded an attempt at a kiss or something more, and most guys don't take rejection well. It's a time when they are making themselves vulnerable. So they'll lash out and say that you led them on.</p>

<p>I would say you've learned the hard reality that sex is a very complicating factor in adult relationships. Don't be naive and think that "it" isn't there a lot as a hidden agenda, and so, adjust your behavior accordingly. </p>

<p>But also, if I can say this, try not to be bitter. No one can expect you to read his mind, but at the same time, you can't expect him to read yours. When men and women are together, friendship often leads to intimacy to a relationship. This can happen even if you started out with a really explicit agreement to the contrary. You need to be explicit and you need to repeat it. To a certain extent, it's fair for him to assume that if you are opening up to a certain level of closeness that more will follow. And, furthermore, people fall in love. The guy who wants to sleep with you who has been around you becoming your friend may have developed some strong feelings for you. Telling him you just want to be friends is a buzzkill to say the least. You have to use your intuition about whether the situation is going in that direction. You can't blame him in this case for having feelings for you (isn't it nice to be loved) -- and you may have to take charge and end the friendship before someone gets really hurt. I let my friend who had the crush on me be around me ('cause she knew I had a girlfriend, albeit a completely dead relationship) so I figured this shielded me from the "leading her on" charge. In retrospect, maybe I was wrong. Who knows?</p>

<p>Oh, and with respect to the people who just make the simple statement that a guy just wants to get into your pants and you can never mean anything else, in my view, that's the viewpoint of someone who is relatively new to the knowledge that sexual tension is alway there on some level. While sex is always a subtext, it doesn't mean its the only one. A lot of other forces come into play.</p>

<p>I didn't need to pretend you were a lesbian. I take you at your word that you're not interested. If I were your strictly platonic male friend, I'd probably be curious to know more, but this an anonymous posting. That's the beauty of it.</p>

<p>Well my main problem is that I am shy, and I have a bit of trouble of making friends of any variety. So if someone actually starts talking to me I go into my whole "must make effort to make friends" mode, which basically consists of saying "yes" if they invite me to do something for fear that if I say "no", no one will invite me to anything ever again (which has happened, btw), and actually attempting to make conversation with the person if they start talking to me in class or if they send me an im. I usually don't feel comfortable initiating conversations with people until I've known them about 6 months or so and I'm not one of those people that flirts with everyone they know so I don't think anyone could be getting any wrong signals from any of that. Eventually the person either attempts to kiss me out of nowhere or goes into some long "you know I've always liked you" speech over im, and then they learn that no, I've never liked them in the entire 3 months that I've known them, and then they never speak to me again. </p>

<p>I don't want to go out and ask every guy that starts talking to me exactly why he is talking to me, or just blurt out something like "you're aware I don't want to be your girlfriend and I never will, right?" because it's hard enough for me to just talk about the weather or whatever in the first place, and in the second place I've always found it to be presumptuous. The guy might think I'm fat and ugly and is only talking to me because he heard I have a car and wants a ride somewhere, for all I know. I mean if you started talking to some girl for whatever reason, and she started off by saying "let's establish that I'm not going to date you and if that's all you want, go away" first...wouldn't you find that weird? </p>

<p>Hell I've even had conversations with some of these people who later tried to make advances on me about how much I hate it when guys pretend to be your friend and then all of a sudden break out the "I like you" card (and they agree that it's shi**y) and I've had conversations with them about how I don't want a boyfriend and I'm tired of everyone assuming that I do (and they agree that it must be annoying)........and then they go do those very things!</p>

<p>I just wish people would be straightforward about pursuing someone romantically from the very beginning. :( I guess looking for friendship and then developing feelings somewhere along the way is a different situation, but I never managed to keep a guy friend long enough for that to actually happen. Ends up making me feel like my friendship's worthless if I won't sleep with you, sometimes. =/</p>

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<p>Unless someone's a manwhore, why would he want to pursue a romantic relationship with you from the beginning without even knowing you? Even if I found you very attractive the moment i saw you, i wouldn't come up to you and say, "I really like you. Can you be my gf". I would obviously like to know you first and hope that you're not a b****. But from your reaction, it seems if I did that, you'd just say i'm not being straightforward enough and break off the friendship.</p>