<p>I agree. I think we its definitely an inarguable fact that for SFS, IR, and Political Science Georgetown can play with almost any school in the country. But overall, the non HYPS Ivies seem to have much greater breadth.</p>
<p>Now that we have agreed that SFS, IR, Political Science and Government at Georgetown are tops, where do the non HYP ivies really excel? I’m curious.</p>
<p>Georgetown’s strengths not only benefit those who major in those specific subject area, but also benefit the pre-med major who wants to take an elective in health care policy or international development. President’s and world leaders regularly speak on campus and these opportunities are open to everybody.</p>
<p>Please tell me the strengths of the non-HYP ivies and how those contribute to the overall academic experience. I would also be curious to know what is so special about the non HYP ivies that demonstrate greater breadth.</p>
<p>Is being an English major at Cornell really more impressive than being an English major at Georgetown?</p>
<p>Is being a French major at Penn really more impressive than being a French major at Georgetown?</p>
<p>How about History? Why should I go to a non-HYP ivy to study history?</p>
<p>I’m not convinced the non-HYP ivies have more to offer in these types of categories where Georgetown’s CAS also competes.</p>
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USNWR – #39 (behind 6 of 7 Ivies)
NRC – #37 (behind 5 of 6 Ivies)
Faculty Scholarly Productivity Index – unranked/not top 10 </p>
<p>I have nothing against Georgetown. It’s a great school. If you want to say that Georgetown has a great IR program or can offer more resources than other political science programs due to its location, I would agree.</p>
<p>Saying that Georgetown’s political science program is “clearly one of the best,” however, is a somewhat dubious claim.</p>
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You have it backwards. Why go to Georgetown to study Classics (or virtually any other liberal arts field) when I could study in a larger, better department at Columbia or Penn? </p>
<p>The answer: fit. Some people are better suited for Georgetown than any of the Ivies. Rankings can’t buy happiness.</p>
<p>“Is being an English major at Cornell really more impressive than being an English major at Georgetown?”</p>
<p>Not to me, at this level people are variously impressive or not impressive on their individual merits. </p>
<p>But FWIW Cornell actually has a highly successful English program. Undergraduate programs are not really evaluated anyplace so far as I know, but its graduate programs in English and Creative Writing are highly rated, and a number of prominent authors have studied there.
[Cornell</a> Writers | Entire List](<a href=“http://www.writers.cornell.edu/entirelist/]Cornell”>http://www.writers.cornell.edu/entirelist/)
<a href=“http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Aug07/creativeWriting.gl.html[/url]”>http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Aug07/creativeWriting.gl.html</a>
<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-english-schools/rankings[/url]”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-english-schools/rankings</a></p>
<p>I don’t know about Georgetown, either way.</p>
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Funny! LOL</p>
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Each of the non-HYP ivies offer greater prestige–let’s face it, most people applying to top schools are chasing the names. Unless someone is looking to teach French at the French Academy, I don’t see why anyone would chose G-town over, say, Dartmouth because G-town might have a more established French major. What happens if you change your mind? I don’t think people say, well, “I am a French major at so-and-so school”, no, they say, “I go to Dartmouth”. That’s why it’s important for people to go to the best school, irrespective of the strength of a particular major. Also, I am sure Columbia can go pound to pound with Gtown (and probably has a higher profile with politicos teaching classes) since Columbia gets world leaders to speak their, as well.<br>
I have nothing against G-town–it’s a solid top 20 school. I just don’t think people should make it seem that it is interchangeable with Columbia, Brown, Penn, Cornell and Dartmouth in terms of prestige, academics, etc. </p>
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Keep you head buried in the sand…</p>
<p>“That’s why it’s important for people to go to the best school, irrespective of the strength of a particular major.”</p>
<p>If a person gets accepted to MIT and Harvard, and wants to be an engineer, even if Harvard is the best school in the country, he’s going to MIT.</p>
<p>Is being an English major at Cornell really more impressive than being an English major at Georgetown?</p>
<p>Is being a French major at Penn really more impressive than being a French major at Georgetown?</p>
<p>How about History? Why should I go to a non-HYP ivy to study history?</p>
<p>Its not the major- its the fact that the Ivies placement rates into top graduate programs are higher than Georgetown and they have better placement into elite business jobs. You can major in history at Dartmouth or Columbia and get a job at Goldman Sachs or Bain, the likelihood is less from Georgetown.</p>
<p>In my MBA class at Columbia, Georgetown was the sixth most represented undergraduate school tied with Princeton and Duke behind Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Columbia and Penn. Many of us Hoyas suffered through the Ivy Basketball games on Friday nights, without having any undergraduate bonds of affection with any of the teams.</p>
<p>My daughter was accepted into Wharton but decided the campus culture at Georgetown was best suited for her. One has to weigh all the factors and then decide which route to take. At the end of the day, students from the IVYS and those at these top tier schools do well.</p>
<p>Georgetown has good name recognition, but admission statistics and rankings do not compare with most Ivies. </p>
<p>Gtown is underrated, but not by much. I’d say it’s on level with Cornell.</p>
<p>Some useful data-</p>
<p>National universities sorted by “Selectivity Rank”, US News August, 2009:
- Yale
- Harvard; Princeton; Caltech; MIT
- Penn; WUSTL
- Columbia
- Stanford; Brown
- Dartmouth
- Duke; G’town
- UC-Berkeley
- Chicago; Northwestern; Cornell; Emory; Notre Dame</p>
<p>Actually, it is a little bit north of Cornell. </p>
<p>In terms of Academic rankings, SFS ranks “north” of everyone including Harvard for its masters programs according to the Foreign Policy.</p>
<p>A student can study history, economics, computer science, or whatever, at Georgetown’s CAS and also get a job at Goldman or Bain. The SFS students have similar opportunities. So that’s not something that differentiates the Ivy League from Georgetown. The SFS and CAS graduates also go to Morgan Stanley, Barclay’s, Credit Suisse, Google, IBM, Deutsche Bank, JP Morgan, Citi etc. In fact, Banking/Investment Banking was the 1 employer of CAS graduates. Teaching and consulting were 2nd and 3rd respectively. SFS tends to send more graduates into consulting and banking is second.</p>
<p><a href=“Cawley Career Education Center | Georgetown University”>Cawley Career Education Center | Georgetown University;
<p><a href=“Cawley Career Education Center | Georgetown University”>Cawley Career Education Center | Georgetown University;
<p>That’s great, but placement is still much higher for almost the entire Ivy League.</p>
<p>Also, remember that Georgetown routes all the Ivies in terms of entrance to the various Intelligence Agencies and the State Department. The latter has from time to time released numbers on entrants (with Georgtown first and equaling some combination of the immediate next several trailing schools depending on the year) while the former group cannot state so publicly.</p>
<p>Georgetown is also generally the number one or two school for entrants to the Presidential Management Fellows Program for accelerated and high level placement in the federal civilian agenices.</p>
<p>Please also check out this link to Teach for America where Georgetown ranks first among all mid size schools including the Ivies.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.teachforamerica.org/newsroom/documents/2008-09TopContributors.pdf[/url]”>http://www.teachforamerica.org/newsroom/documents/2008-09TopContributors.pdf</a></p>
<p>VM-impressive stats.</p>
<p>Two questions: First is Mcdounogh school of business harder than Georgetown college </p>
<p>Secondly how would you compare georgetown to columbia in terms of courseload if say at Georgetown i major in International busness and at columbia the core classes with Econ?</p>