H.S. Junior, Penn Hopeful, Inquiring About Columbia U

<p>I am a junior rite now, but i already took the SAT once and can predict my GPA fairly well</p>

<p>Asian American
SAT: 2060 (CR-640, Math-750, Writing-680)
SAT IIs: Math IIC -800, Korean- 800, Chemistry- 750, US History- 750
GPA: 4.33
AP Scores: AP Euro-4, AP Calc AB-5 (That's it so far) I am currently taking AP US History, AP Stats, AP Calc BC, AP Physics Mechanics "C", AP Chemistry and have As on all of them.</p>

<p>Extracurricular
Math Club- Founder/President (3 yrs)
Service Club- President (2 yrs)
NHS- 2 years (u can only join starting from your junior year)
Science Olympiad- 4 years
State Symphony- 3 years (Principal clarinet)
JV Tennis- 3 years
Hospital Volunteer 100 hours</p>

<p>Awards
Flute Solo competition 1st place
Internship under a professor of Chemistry at UCLA
AIME qualified
National Merit Commended (208 PSAT)
Regional math competition 2nd place, Science competiton 3rd place
Junior Open Tennis Tournament 2nd place</p>

<p>I know my SAT score is pretty week. But for ED do u think i have a chance?</p>

<p>Deferred. 10ch</p>

<p>is it becuz of my sat score?</p>

<p>Your application reaks Asian stereotype. I'm sorry. If you really want to get in on the flute/math/science thing, you need a lot more qualifications other than "regional" ones.</p>

<p>and for the love of god, get your CR and W scores up on the SAT 1. Colleges want students that can articulate themselves clearly in english and debate the points they make.</p>

<p>Overall, this is just like... you did a bit of everything, but you're the master of none. You have regional stuff in all the stuff pretty much other asians have but they do it faster, better and in general, with more accolades.</p>

<p>Unless there's some other information you've left out like Socioeconomic Bracket, Family Life, Special Talent, Experience, I can't see you getting in Columbia with that application.</p>

<p>You should try some of the better public schools. The UCs and the SUNYs and whatever that other system in NY is called. I think you are a match there.</p>

<p>I disagree with the above poster. Being Asian myself (and incidentally, recently accepted into Columbia), I know it is easy to have your entire set of stats marginalized by peers (or CC users) with one sweep of the phrase 'Asian stereotype', particularly if you've got a lot of math/science stuff. But Columbia admissions officers look at a lot more than whether or not you're a 'stereotypical Asian' or not. They're not comparing you to only other Asians in a big race to see who is the top Asian, that's ridiculous. They look at you in the context of the larger community. They ask questions like, "Is this person going to make good contributions to the Columbia community? Does this person have a passion for learning and a curiosity about the things around him/her? Is this person independent? Mature? A thinker? Someone who will take advantage of New York City? etc" And only then do they make a judgment. </p>

<p>A lot of people with great stats got rejected/deferred this year and some people with 'average' or merely 'good' stats got accepted. Some Hispanic dudes/dudettes with 2300+ got deferred while some Asians with 2000-2100 got in. It's not a race game, or a even a stats game. The key is positioning yourself as a real person, with a passion for doing what you do that exceeds those of others, and an ability to think about things on a level that is above that of your peers. Forget the 'Asian stereotype' labels, do what you want. There's nothing wrong with being an Asian who is good at math and science stuff as long as you also come off as a genuine, passionate, smart, mature person.</p>

<p>Give him a break, onekingonelife. (p.s. don't spell "reek" with an "a." Talk about articulating clearly in English...) </p>

<p>Just because the OP supposedly fits the Asian stereotype and has average SATs do not mean that you should relegate him to being solely public school material. </p>

<p>PennDreamer, good to know that you're a junior. Take the January/May/June SATs and try to up your SAT scores. You're well on your ways with great scores on SAT IIs. Good luck!</p>

<p>thnx guys for ur replys. I appreciate it :)
So if i bring my SAT score up to around 2200s, do i have a chance?</p>

<p>You don't seem to understand or appreciate any of what has been said...</p>

<p>It's not about scores: it's about what you have to offer to the Columbia community and what makes you stand apart.</p>

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thnx guys for ur replys. I appreciate it :)
So if i bring my SAT score up to around 2200s, do i have a chance?

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<p><em>smacks head</em></p>

<p>WOW. Please, get your scores up, but please, don't think that will get you in. Have you seen the boards about the Stanford Slaughter--it seems like SAT scores and GPAs were basically thrown out the window. Considering UPenn and Columbia share a similar, high-achieving applicant pool with Stanford's, you might want to shift your mindset. Top Tier colleges (the type you are considering) aren't looking for another 4.0+ or a 2400; they want people who are very well-rounded, people who have a passion, and people who can effectively verbalize their opinions and abilities through essays. It more complex than just a numbers game.</p>

<p>With that GPA and SAT score, you'll be in a range of students that the college adcom considers. However, to get out of that range and into the admit pool, you need something more concrete. This is where your essays and ECs and teacher recs come into play. If anything, work on the latter three than the former two (GPA and SAT).</p>

<p>sorry guys if i repeated the same thing that u guys already talked about. I know that GPA and SAT are not the only factors that will get me into UPenn or Columbia. I know that very well. What i want to know is 2060 SAT score and 4.33 GPA are qualified for the admittance (Not guranteed for the admittance). What do you guys think. Is there any chance that i might not get in because of my SAT score? That's all i want to know.</p>

<p>^ hm, I guess I'm just semi-bitter about Yale. You guys are right, he's out of the frying pan but not out of the fire just yet.</p>

<p>If I were you, I'd try to get some leadership EC that you actually care about done.</p>

<p>I'm always a little harsh on chance threads, haha.</p>

<p><3?</p>

<p>haha. it's alrite. But i was thinking the president of math club and service club is enough. isnt it?</p>

<p>Colleges usually like to see an applicant focused on one or just a few main things... looks like you're focused on math, science , and sports...try to narrow it down to one thing that you are very passionate about...hope that helps :)</p>

<p>^This does have a bit of truth to it, although I wouldn't necessarily advise him just narrow it down to one thing.</p>

<p>I recently got accepted for transfer, seeminigly against all possible odds (average stats and ONE ec–college newspaper), so I think I can shed some light on the crucial aspect, x factor if you will, of a desirable candidate for admission. Throughout high school, I got As and Bs in everything, but I clearly excelled in history, and described my budding interest for art history in my personal essay. I discussed the growth of my budding interest during the AP class during senior year, then went on to describe how I nurtured this interest and cultivated a full-blown passion for it by the end of my first semester of college. I made sure my essay emanated academic persistence, intellectual curiosity and above all–an enduring passion. I can say with the utmost confidence that -that- is what they’re really looking for. Someone that will go that extra mile, not because it looks nice on a resume, but because they couldn’t live without it. </p>

<p>Or at least, that’s what I’ve gathered from my unlikely admission.</p>

<p>“president of math club and service club is enough. isnt it?”</p>

<p>Kid, it’s been done to death. It won’t make you stand out (i.e. worthy of acceptance).</p>

<p>IF Seas I’d say waitlist or reject RD
and 75% deferred or 25% accepted ED.</p>

<p>Good Luck!</p>