Haas Facts reveal

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<p>Many fellows in this forum have some similar questions like: how is my chance get into Haas, what is the stats of the admitted student, what I need to do to get in the school etc….
Today, I suddenly fell really want to reveal what is behind this iron curtain and show you some facts that I know as an experienced person through the last 3 Haas racing campaigns in my college.</p>

<p>First fact: GPA does it matter?
The answer is pretty popular and it’s true, you don’t need a 4.0. But you chance with drop dramatically if your GPA is below 3.9 (I don’t know anyone got in with less than 3.9 at least). BUT: a very important BUT, Haas will not care who is your instructor in your classes, even the major prerequisite courses. So don’t think taking a good (but hard) professor will bring your chance up. IT WON”T!!!</p>

<p>Second Fact: Family _ Networking, first handed information.
2 people who I know got into Haas this year have their sibling currently studying in the school. It really tells you how importance it is to have experienced people help you in the application process. However, I don’t eliminate there are fraudulent elements here!</p>

<p>Third Fact: Extra Curricula, Internship, Working…
The fact is not what type and how many clubs you have joined doesn't really matter (plenty of people fool Haas about their ECs btw). The Point is: how you use your exp in your clubs or others experience to demonstrate you as a unique person (and to show that what you state in the application is honest ^_^). If the admission officer believe u are honest (they believe, but not necessary it’s truth), and you have the qualities (or back ground) they “want”, you are in. That's why there are some ******* people I know got in, and others really really qualify students got rejected (don't know how to show themselves to the admission committee). A full time worker (work over 40 hours/ week) concurrently enrolling over 20 units each quarter in 2 years in college got rejected :D. That’s just one of the plenty examples. In short: rather than putting hard effort in doing tons of things, you really should answer yourself, “if the things you are doing will help u showing what a person you are like in the PS and HOW you can show it. I emphasize the word HOW.”</p>

<p>Fourth fact: Personalities_ what personalities should you show in your essay?
Haas really like leadership, critical thinking, analysis skills, ability to work in multicultural environment, innovation…. (qualities that are generally important in business world). So try to focus on those qualities in your PS, if possible, not too focus on your passion or how you are willing to serve your community if it doesn’t really show how strong you are in leadership or other skills (Haas may not be interested much in your community). You better talk more about “your ability _ what you can do” through your life experience. What have happened to you and what you have reacted to it (working, ecs…)? Be aware, there are many stories in the writing process. You should buy some decent college essay books to take a look before writing.
If you can, have someone who had seriously run the Haas campaign read your essays (they should be your really close friend hehe). VERY FEW INSTRUCTOR can help you _ except correcting your grammar and structure, but not the ideas in the essay, so don’t expect to get much from your instructor because they may even not know much about Haas and what it needs from applicants.</p>

<p>Fifth Fact: Family backgournd, will it help?
Don’t expect because you are the first generation going to college or you are from low income family will increase your chance, it will not help much, if not absolutely helpless. But ethnic probably is another story.</p>

<p>Sixth Fact: Haas won't take serious consideration if you get honor grade or A+ in you classes neither seriously consider if you have finished some tough class (much higher than their requirement). They just care about the requirement as listed on assist, your PSs and resume.</p>

<p>seventh Fact: Luckiness
God know who is gonna read your essays :D. So, make sure you pray enough everyday so that he will bless you to have an “appropriate admission officer” reading your essay when he/she is in good mood and the more important “understand your background and experience”. There are so much subjective elements in this process and make the whole admission become unfair!!! </p>

<p>OK so tired of writing this “report”, I even don’t care much about grammatical and structural things… I am also ready to receive any criticism or contribution from you guys ^_^.</p>

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<p>Pretty interesting stuff…but what do you mean that you are an “experienced person through the last 3 Haas campaigns”? Are you saying that you’ve applied to Haas the past 3 years? </p>

<p>And what do you mean that people lie about their ECs? Isn’t there a way for them to catch people like this? Don’t your high school and CC transcripts show what clubs you’ve participated in? If not, this makes it pretty unfair to the legit people who list their ECs/work experience if this is true. </p>

<p>I’ll be applying to Haas myself either in 2009 or 2010 so this was pretty good info. I think by far the most important thing is to be able to communicate yourself clearly through your PS/essays. Since most of the applicants are pretty competitive with their gpa, ECs, and work experience, the essays are really what sets apart each applicant.</p>

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<p>I just applied for this 08-09. However, I have researched about Haas for the last 3 years (from web and other real examples in my college).
your transcripts won’t show any clubs nor activities you have participated in. They may be able to check you Ecs, but it is just costly. Do you think they will send people to your college to see how “many hour” you participate in your clubs weekly and how many club you have joined and run ? heck no. (There is a rumor that they call some applicants whom they suspected, but those for sure are strong candidate only). If the rumor is true, I doubt if they can check through the phone if the applicant is lying or not). Don’t expect fairness in this process, absolutely not. Just like what my instructor told me, if you want fairness in this world, go to find your mom haha.
And you got the point, the essays will be the only thing make you standout. Try to cram some admission essay books in this summer. Anyway, don’t be too stress about the result, whatever result you get, the admission process itself will actually help you grow up a lot and learn more about yourself and how to show yourself to others ^_^.</p>

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<p>i think that 1/2 of ur facts are either wrong or misleading
3 years of research aye =/
well the way the students that got in from my CC contradicts ur hypothesis 3/7 the time
if u find out the stats of students that got in and trace the dots, u can find out a pattern they look for.
if u look at how they structure their essays and with a little common sense u can tell which part of the application plays a vital role.
if u look at the courses they offer you can tell what kind of field they would be interested in gearing YOU towards.
sometimes its not about oh i m a perfect student… sometimes its about oh he wants to go this direction and this is the direction we are good at guiding them at…</p>

<p>TBH when it talks about fair… if u want an upright guy who just does everything according to the book, that makes a really bad business person. its about being flexible according to the situation. its totally fair in my opinion…</p>

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<p>Please be specific which facts is wrong, so we can work it out :slight_smile:
the pattern they look for is : leadership in clubs or others activities and internship. But to be clear, they are not just looking for a list of ECs, but they also want to know what you have got from it and how you have done it(from you essays). However, the odds is, some people with great effort and leadership skill can’t effectively express themselves through the essays, but some people with less effort and ability are good at showing themselves. That’s why I said, the essay is the most important factor. </p>

<p>“sometimes its not about oh i m a perfect student… sometimes its about oh he wants to go this direction and this is the direction we are good at guiding them at…” Uh … interesting. what If a person is a perfect person. but the direction he want is not the one the school is good at?</p>

<p>“TBH when it talks about fair… if u want an upright guy who just does everything according to the book, that makes a really bad business person. its about being flexible according to the situation. its totally fair in my opinion…” this paragraph is just not in a good logic (read the whole thread carefully and you will see). Also, Not because you got into the school and you can conclude the system is totally fair (you know it is only in you opinion and that’s good ^_^). In fact, I know a person was rejected at first, but then he appealed successfully! If the process is totally fair, how it could have happened? I didn’t do the appeal anyway cause I know the reason I got rejected and that reason will not allow me to have a successful appeal (because the direction I wanted to go is not the one that the school is good at lol).</p>

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<p>i m just saying its just one of the many reasons why qualified students can get rejected
we all gotta say that its a very competitive pool, in terms of stats essays and everything 2 applicants might be the same, but their interests in business might be different.</p>

<p>haas is a good finance school, if u like econ and talk about how the economy works and how cool it is… mayB they’d prefer u to major in economics altogether and leave the spot to someone interested in finance
hows that hard to understand? i really hate spelling out for people sry =/</p>

<p>the perfect student section i think its all about exploitation. well its a harsh way of putting it but yea… basically if a person is too square he can’t really survive in the business world can he. so in a way its also a process of elimination. its just another challenge along the way so i think its pretty fair.</p>

<p>he person u know who appealed probably had new information that really changed the tides. who knows.</p>

<p>hmm about being specific i thought u were the one with 3 years of research. shouldn’t u have gotten in with 3 years of research?
i feel that nomatter what pattern anyone recognizes is just a mere hypothesis, no one knows what goes on behind those closed doors.</p>

<p>but to call them facts, thats just plain arrogance.
meh i really didn’t wanna type a lot after bed time =/</p>

<p>but i gotta say i know a lot of people with tons of experience and ECs but they just don’t know how to fit those pieces into the essay =/ really got them good there</p>

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<p>Both of you make some good points but I’ll admit it’s a little vague, haha. Anyway, there’s a real good point that you get across though: It’s probably not about how many ECs you’ve had but rather how those ECs (even if they are few) have affected you and your ability to fit it in to your PS/essays.</p>

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<p>I don’t argue with the reason that qualified students got rejected because of incorrect orientation in the PSs, but that’s just one of MANY reasons. how can you ignore the fact that different admission officer have different backgrounds, their preference , and understanding are also not all the same? an impressive essay to one person may be a ordinary paper to another one. (this weakness in the admission process is not only in Haas, but also all Universities which need PS from student). Absolutely no absolute equality here.</p>

<p>“basically if a person is too square he can’t really survive in the business world can he. so in a way its also a process of elimination.” I agree with this. But the process here only involve very limited information. it can’t really tell how square or circle a person is. I am not criticizing anything about the process because no system is perfect and can’t expect it can select the best people in all cases. Do you think all Haas student can always be more successful than all SFSU student? surely no. But why? aren’t they the “best qualified” students selected by Haas? and don’t they has the advantage of studying in one of the best business school? The answer of the questions will tell you many things. In the process, the school just “try to get” as many best student as possible and it has to do with statistic_probability because of information constraint. They may have rejected a student who is overall better than the one they have admitted. Well, I just mean, not absolute fairness here.</p>

<p>The person I know didn’t provide any “significant” change though, but I believe he is a well qualified student. Maybe some *** officer read his essay and let him out (before his application is reviewed by the whole Haas committee) and he was rejected.</p>

<p>lol you could stay up to 2:20 to write the post ^_^. I couldn’t</p>

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<p>haas provides it’s criteria, but that doesn’t tell you much. i think the first step to figuring out how to get in is realizing that almost every person on college board is just another kid giving his or her opinion…there are no ucb admissions people posting (that i know of). i agree that participating in many clubs or even business related clubs is not necessarily a big help…it’s all about showing the admissions officers that you learned something or took something away from that experience. they want to know: how has what you learned made you more business oriented or made you more interested in the busn field?</p>

<p>as for grades: everybody who stands a decent chance will likely have a 3.8+. i don’t know this, but am guessing. cc isn’t that hard…come on…if you honestly want in to haas, you’ve gotta get at least a 3.8.</p>

<p>as for ECs: everybody who stands a decent chance will be decked out with every EC under the sun. positions, honors, etc… decent applicants will have them.</p>

<p>so…what’s the key? if great ECs and grades are standard for decent applicants, how does one set himself/herself apart?</p>

<p>ESSAYS, ESSAYS, ESSAYS!</p>

<p>you better make yourself sound like gold or its over. i’m just being blunt. don’t make some laundry list of everything you’ve done and how awesome you are, but talk about how a one or two of your best experiences (clubs, work, etc) taught you some great life lesson that will help you in business.</p>

<p>but keep in mind: i am not a college admissions officer…my word is as good as the next guy’s i guess, but i am not an expert…i am only guessing</p>

<p>i had the grades (but so did everyone else), i had the ECs (but so did everyone else), but i had kick-ass essays (not everyone did) and i think that’s why i got in…so that’s why i stress the ESSAYS!</p>