<p>Guys, I know this sounds a little hokey.... but don't give up hope. Williams takes quite a few of their deferees during regular decision.</p>
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<p>I agree. However, it is really important to let it go for now and not allow the disappointment to get in the way of doing a really good job putting together the final list of colleges and the apps that have to go in the mail between now and the end of the month.</p>
<p>Make sure that you have a stone-cold, drop-dead safety on your list. Then, polish up the remaining applications like you love each school more than anywhere on the face of the earth.</p>
<p>If you guys wanna revisit the whys and wherefores and maybes of Williams, do it after all the other apps are in the mail!</p>
<p>man,</p>
<p>cheer up guys.
you guys are...
so,
worthy.</p>
<p>I can't believe that some of you got deferred/rejected with such good stats.... well, there may be other circumstances, so don't lose hope!</p>
<p>The number one item every adcom looks at is gpa, and unless your school is extremely competitive, a 3.65 is a real fine score, but Williams reject many 4.0's....Note, the others who were deferred with a higher gpa.</p>
<p>Don't bother the adcom. Move on and finish your other apps. You have an incredible resume . Good luck.</p>
<p>actually... Reyk, I think you should have your guidance counselor contact the adcom. Sit down with your GC, discuss your thoughts and your surprise at having been rejected, and ask him if he can speak with the adcoms aqnd find out what happened. You might get some useful information for your regular decision apps.</p>
<p>hey, i got deferred as well. my scores are SATI: 2280 SATII: 800, 790, 780,770.
But I have no hard feelings toward williams or any sense of shame bc i know i didn't have something that williams was looking for. Actually, I'm looking forward to applying and hearing from 10 other colleges I'm planning to apply.
That said, congrats to everyone who was accepted!</p>
<p>yeah, thanks a lot - I mean, i'm definitely not trying to say that I should have been accepted - I'm aware that my GPA is less than stellar, and that my scores aren't SUPERB - which would be why I'd be about a rank "3" or whatever... I undertand all that, and it makes perfect sense, I'm just slightly confused as to why they'd REJECT, not defer, but REJECT, an acad. 3 w/ all sorts of ECs...</p>
<p>someone asked if there was someone pulling from inside the school... kind of??? My peer eval was written by a good friend who's a Frosh at Williams now if that's what you mean, but i have no legacy, etc.</p>
<p>But yes, I am certainly looking forward to applying to my other schools - not getting in ED means I now have a CHOICE, which is nice, as to what of my accepted schools I go to.</p>
<p>Just incase you guys care, I'm applying to UVM, Tufts, Middlebury, Wesleyan, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Columbia - I think i've got a range of safety/fit/reach in there, eh?</p>
<p>Yeah, I don't know who asked (i'm on the wrong page), but I ski out of Hanover, w/ the Ford Sayre club, if you know them - I couldn't respond to anything today b/c I just got back from the first Eastern Cup xc race of the season (classical sprint @ trapps in stowe), and no, i wasn't on the JO team, but my teamate was - alice nelson - who's actually deferring a year from... Williams... to ski some more.</p>
<p>As for the don't give up hope, i certainly won't for other apps, but i would like to talk to Williams adcom, or have my GC do it, to figure out what i didn't do (or DID do), that lead to utter rejection, or if there was somehtnig I should/could have changed, for that would greatly help me out in applying to other schools, as one would assume.</p>
<p>thanks for all your input once more</p>
<p>-nd</p>
<p>well if you consider rejection as an insult, then i don't know what to say. if you wanted a deferral because you wanted give it another shot, then i'd say it doesn't make that much difference since they take only so few from the people who are deferred. By the way, does anyone know if williams defers most of its applicants?</p>
<p>i'm considering rejection as a question to be answered: Why? williams defers most of those who are qualified, but not "lucky" to get in... those who they deem not even worthy, etc, are rejected - rejection is not the hand of lady luck - and I'm saying that I am not one of those who is unworthy - please know what you're talking about before you try to question my judgement</p>
<p>wow you sound quite angry. I did not mean to question your judgment-- I was just wondering why you were saddened. and you answered that.</p>
<p>"Just incase you guys care, I'm applying to UVM, Tufts, Middlebury, Wesleyan, Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Columbia - I think i've got a range of safety/fit/reach in there, eh?"</p>
<p>I'm not sure I see that, to be honest. UVM seems a safety. All those other schools are very competitive.</p>
<p>not Very competative, but yes, competitive... which is why I'm applying - I would certainly not classify tufts or wesleyan as reaches, would you?</p>
<p>Reyk, I'm very sorry that things didn't work out for you at Williams. I'm doubtful that you or your GC will make much headway in getting an explanation from the adcom. You'd be better off putting your energy into your RD applications. </p>
<p>I'd suggest that you add one or two LACs in the tier below Midd and Wes. Those two are solid matches; they may lean toward safeties for you but they are not "safe" enough. </p>
<p>Consider Hamilton, Kenyon, Colby, Skidmore, Bucknell -- there are a few others out there. You most like won't need them, but this year seems to be unpredictable. (Any one else think it seems worse than ever for white males?)</p>
<p>Best of luck to you.</p>
<p>i dont see any reach school there Reyk...maybe Brown is a bit tough..</p>
<p>best of luck...u have my best wishes</p>
<p>You guys have amazing accomplishments and really are just victims of a number game. Williams is as you know a very small school, and after taking the true academic superstars, musical/artistic superstars, recruiting athletes, highly-qualified children of alums, and URM's / disadvantaged applicants through Questbridge, there just aren't all that many spots left for the sort of very solid, well-rounded type of student-athletes like those posting on this thread, all of whom would really excel in the Williams environment. In some ways, because Williams attracts so many of those types of applicants, even though you are a perfect fit, you are competing with a huge pool, whereas some of the less traditional type of applicants -- e.g., high achiever from a difficult urban background -- is able to catch the attention of the committed as more unique in the Williams universe. Thanks to US News and the college-age population boom, Williams applications numbers, especially early, have really shot up over the last five to ten years, I know my profile was nowhere near as impressive as some of those deferred and I never would have been accepted today. Small consolation, I know. </p>
<p>Fortunately, there are tons of schools that provide a very similar type of undergrad experience to Williams that aren't quite so brutal to get into: Bowdoin, Haverford, Carleton, Macalaster, Wesleyan all quickly come to mind. I'm sure you guys will have a great experience. The rejection as opposed to deferral for Reyk. is particularly puzzling, who knows why but certainly you were not overshooting in applying to Williams, and I'm sure you'll get into plenty of top-15 LAC's with your profile.</p>
<p>hey, i'm really sorry you guys didn't get in...i would side with ephman and id; you're all amazing, strong candidates, but maybe they're just looking for something different, or there are a lot of people with similar cvs in this year's ED pool. i can't believe you got rejected outright reyk...and the only explanation i can offer is that with admissions officers, you really never know what they're thinking. your college list doesn't sound too safe though reyk...you might want to add a few more schools like bates, colby, kenyon for safety. and if you like williams so much, why not go for amherst? it's very similar. best of luck, i sincerely hope you get into a great school!
and bral...that's so not true, every school has legacy kids (keeping alum happy is hugely important, not the least for monetary reasons), but i know a lot of people at williams who are just academically strong and well rounded.</p>
<p>Amherst!!????...amherst????</p>
<p>I think he's talking about UMASS-Amherst......Williams students tend to venture down Route 2 quite frequently</p>
<p>NO ITS AMHERST!....its our rival college!!..grrrrrrrr..</p>