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Ppl like downplaying top schools for some reason (perhaps because they know they can't ever get in?) I know I can't get into Harvard but I won't lie to myself; I'd go there in a heartbeat.
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not you, but lots of people who think like that are rank whores.....</p>
<p>sell my soul to my harvard, if i must.</p>
<p>i agree bestmiler........rank aint everythin......</p>
<p>In the end it is HOW YOU PERFORM in college that determines whether you're successful in life or not..</p>
<p>^^^ very well said :)</p>
<p>I find it extremely funny when people say they'd go to Harvard over Berkeley because Cal's too focused on grad school, when in fact Harvard is the same way. There are many reasons to choose Harvard over Berkeley, but focus on undergrads in not one of them.</p>
<p>^That is true...but can people start to give some solid evidence for picking Berkeley over Harvard undergrad? Yeah, we can all claim Harvard is "snobby"....</p>
<p>You don't need any evidence. Do you need evidence to buy Coke instead of pepsi? This isn't a science experiment, it comes down to choice (and $). I think most would choose harvard, and that's a good choice, but if you went to Cal because you liked California better or you wanted a cheaper education, what would be wrong with that?</p>
<p>"You don't need any evidence. Do you need evidence to buy Coke instead of pepsi? This isn't a science experiment, it comes down to choice (and $). "</p>
<p>You don't need to be condescending. californiakid was asking a simple question.</p>
<p>Look up condescending.</p>
<p>"There are many reasons to choose Harvard over Berkeley, but focus on undergrads in not one of them." </p>
<p>By evidence, I just wanted to know why you believe your statement to be true.</p>
<p>Well, not to be condescending, but that would be opinion rather than proof. And I think people have given their opinion. As to your question, are you asking me about what reasons there would be to go to Harvard instead of Berkeley, or why Harvard and Berkeley both focus on grad?</p>
<p>I disagree. Harvard U-grad > Berkeley U-Grad in most fields, if not all (for me it would be Economics). I can pull up stats, career placement, and 5 year avg salary for you but since this thread is based on opinion and I am not attending neither Berkeley or Harvard; such stats would be irrelevant.</p>
<p>Who said Berkeley ug is better than Harvard? Not me. I said using the excuse that Cal is too focused on grad school to argue that Harvard is better is ironic, considering that Harvard is a huge research school that, like Cal, gives the majority of its attention to it grad programs.</p>
<p>Hahaha, it's alright, you don't have to answer (I was asking why Harvard doesn't focus on undergrad)...yeah, when it comes down to it, I guess it's just based on preference.</p>
<ol>
<li><p>I'm a California resident</p></li>
<li><p>Weather in California is much nicer</p></li>
<li><p>You can save yourself and your family a ton of
money</p></li>
<li><p>You may actually like your college years and you
may meet people you can actually talk to</p></li>
<li><p>Unemployment rate is lower in your metro area</p></li>
<li><p>You experience the world outside america where
you may end up working any way</p></li>
<li><p>You can always get to a top 10 Grad school if you are unique and good enough</p></li>
<li><p>You can afford a top tier Grad school because you
spent less on undergrad and you are able to actually
save some money in your first years on a job</p></li>
<li><p>You won't have to move to California when you graduate. You can actually get a job and live in the same city</p></li>
<li><p>UC gives you a better experience of the future world
you're going to create and live in unlike the Ivy ivory towers</p></li>
</ol>
<p>"Hahaha, it's alright, you don't have to answer (I was asking why Harvard doesn't focus on undergrad)...yeah, when it comes down to it, I guess it's just based on preference."</p>
<p>No, its alright, I just wasn't sure which part of the question you wanted me to answer. Why doesn't it focus on UG? Because, like all large research schools, it gets its fame, much of its prestige, its top notch professors, and a ton of money from the breakthroughs it makes at the grad level. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, nor am I saying that the UG level at harvard (or Cal) is bad because of its grad focus. If you want a school focused on ug go to some tiny little LAC that nobody has ever heard of. If you want to go to the most famous school in the world go to Harvard.</p>
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I disagree. Harvard U-grad > Berkeley U-Grad in most fields, if not all (for me it would be Economics). I can pull up stats, career placement, and 5 year avg salary for you but since this thread is based on opinion and I am not attending neither Berkeley or Harvard; such stats would be irrelevant.
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<p>I don't think your first statment has much to do with your second statement. </p>
<p>According to you, Harvard academics are, as a whole, better than Berkeley academics. (I don't mean the quality of the classes, I mean the quality of the professors' [the academics'] research.) But that is not really true. Berkeley, as a whole, has been shown (even by USNews) to have the best faculty. In fact Berkeley's faculty is so strong that, in grad admissions, Berkeley usually wins the cross-admit battle with Harvard in almost all departments. Therefore, you really shouldn't compare the academics (meaning the professors' research quality level) with opportunities following college. </p>
<p>Yes, Berkeley graduating seniors, as a whole, do much worse in the job market than their Harvard counterparts, as a whole. But that is not a measure of the quality of the departments. Berkeley's overall academic scene is better than Harvard's while Harvard's economic wellness scene is better than Berkeley's. End of story.</p>
<p>I don't think your post had much to do with mine.
I don't even know where to begin. Why are you talking about grad at all?
Harvard ugrad is stronger and allows its undergrads better jobs. We both agree on that.
Academics is questionable and was not even mentioned in my post. </p>
<p>End of story.</p>
<p>Edit: After checking your other posts, it seems you attend Berkeley. I wasn't surprised, to say the least. I am just giving my unbiased opinion (having no affiliation with either school).</p>
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Academics is questionable and was not even mentioned in my post.
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I disagree. Harvard U-grad > Berkeley U-Grad in most fields, if not all (for me it would be Economics).
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<p>Simply not true, the strenght of the program is almost universally better at Berkeley. What happes after the student graduates is a different matter.</p>
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Edit: After checking your other posts, it seems you went to Berkeley. I wasn't surprised, to say the least.
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<p>I go to Berkeley. Picked it over Harvard about 3 years ago because I like the wheather and it's free (for me.)</p>