<p>solidblu… not if you keep your standards so high… she MUST be a model</p>
<p>solidblu-
lol that looked more like a drunken hobo than a hottie! hahahaha
yeah i am sure you’ll find plenty of those type of hotties there.
well anywhere there is a party.
you might wanna try SB.</p>
<p>solidblu…come to hawaii dude! Plenty of those here!!!</p>
<p>@jane what!? are you telling my that the flower of my eye, the teapot of my soul, and the goddess of my garden is ugly!?! How dareth you!</p>
<p>@shellbell Thanks, I agree :P</p>
<p>solidblu- when you marry s/him…shim</p>
<p>please put it in your vows, “the flower of my eye, the teapot of my soul, and the goddess of my garden.”</p>
<p>shim is quite lucky to have you.</p>
<p>Pffff…that is ridiculous. May I inquire as to which school ISN’T “subpar” in their minds? Where do these friends of yours go to college? I imagine some school for “poor, conservative, malevolent Earth-destroyers.” Sorry…I’ll take the former stereotype, thanks. Sounds like a bunch of one-uppers, to me (no offense)!</p>
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<p>On another note, has anyone heard of the infamous umbrella man at Cal who stands around opening and closing his umbrella for hours, rain or shine, whilst shouting obscenities at passersby? If anyone reading this goes to Berkeley, please let me know if his legacy lives on!!! Haha. </p>
<p>To touch on the crime thing…it’s pretty sketchy, day or night, but you just have to be aware of your surroundings and get some street smarts! When I stayed with a friend in her dorm, there was a huge bulletin board in the common area that was plastered with flyers notifying students of recent crimes, descriptions of criminals, how to be safe, etc. There are a lot of homeless people, and a lot of poor people who just dgaf…it also neighbors Oakland, so…just sayin’. You can’t live your life in fear of crime, though, so it’s just something that needs to be dealt with.</p>
<p>Also…what friggen university ISN’T for rich kids?? LOL. The f u c k i n’ WORLD is for rich people…w t f. </p>
<p>Last thing…the tree-hugging-dirty-hippy stereotype is seriously from the 60s-70s…your pals need to update their lines. I will say, however, that upon visiting the campus about a year ago, the first thing I saw was a group of tree sitters…that’s right–people camping out, just chillin’ in the trees…holding a protest and creating a ruckus right outside the main campus gates. So, there ARE people like that who exist, and personally, I think it’s pretty cool, but the whole school isn’t like that. Not to mention…would you really want to be employed by a company that looked down on you for graduating from BERKELEY, anyway? I mean, come ONNN!</p>
<p>p.s.-shim is so beautiful. I think it mugged me on Telegraph…</p>
<p>LMAO! I love that penelope thing dude!!!</p>
<p>I know!!! I love shim!!!</p>
<p>Ehh, two of them were from Ivy Leagues (both from Harvard), and the rest were either from public state schools or hadn’t gone - which is what partially surprised me, since it gave me the impression that that was what the “average” person over there thought of Berkeley. I wasn’t even sure how to really defend Berkeley or my support of it, especially since I have to admit I’m a bit of a tree-hugger (literally, I was a weird kid and hugged a tree daily lol) and didn’t exactly want to add to their impression of it…</p>
<p>I agree with you on the world being for rich people; I’m a freaking poor, and will probably end up going to Davis since they’re giving me a full ride and Idk how good my chances are at Cal anyway (but only 5 more days to go!).</p>
<p>Umbrella man sounds interesting…more so than the homeless dude in Hollywood dancing as he crosses the street carrying a sign that read something like “Love Jesus” in Spanish and signing.</p>
<p>Shim is…um…lovely (= Huh, I wonder what UC has the best looking students. UCSB maybe?</p>
<p>duh that’s why I’m probably going there haha just kidding… but I heard that they did actually</p>
<p>@Beaver I don’t think you disagree with me. You are taking an optimistic, retrospective view of a hardship that I take as well. However, I don’t think hardships (like being a 1st gen) are painless or efficient, especially when one’s goals are to be exceptional beyond words. A lot of our hardship was probably unnecessary, contributing very little to our character. </p>
<p>I would take great pride in reinventing the wheel (1st gen), but I’d be much better off (in terms of material wellness and in my ability survive happily) having learned how to reinvent the wheel from some else and in turn using my energy to reinvent the car (non-1st gen); I would likewise take great pride in reinventing the car. </p>
<p>I think it’s wrong to assume non-1st gens won’t go through the same character building hardship that we have – and that we are better off as 1st gens.</p>
<p>Is it true we can’t post videos anymore? I just got a “warning” pm from collegeconfidential referencing one of my posts that posted a video on how to speed read. That really sucks!</p>
<p>@ kizz: I don’t think you’ve seen Cloyne Co-op…If you think Berkeley’s reputation of hippie, tree-hugging, super liberal ideology has been abandoned, you’re definitely mistaken. Perhaps it isn’t as extreme as it used to be, but Berkeley definitely has maintained this. </p>
<p>In Cloyne - The walls are plastered with obscenities and lewd pictures. People walk around smoking pot in the hallways. The green curtains make for a dimly lit, smokey atmosphere, the kitchen is a dump (straight up), the place wreaks of a myriad of terrible smells, and when I visited there was a drug deal going on right next to me. Some kids were buying LSD. lol.</p>
<p>Tell me Berkeley isn’t ultra-hippie/liberal.</p>
<p>Oh, but don’t get me wrong lol. I love everything about Berkeley! I just wouldn’t live in Cloyne.</p>
<p>I definitely don’t think those ideologies have been abandoned, and I do agree that many Berkeley students keep that reputation going, but I think michellaneous’ friends were generalizing to such a degree that they are completely stereotyping the entire school, and categorizing it as a poor choice to get an education. That is absurd to me. Not to mention, not ALL of the crazy protesting-tree hugging business is even started by the students…that entire area is super liberal and full of crazies (and I use the word crazies in a good way 
)…let’s not forget it’s only a hop, skip, and a jump away from San Francisco, which is also known for being a bit unorthodox, if you will. Berzerkeley, meaning the city as a whole, has been branded that way and will continue to be branded that way by others for the sole reason that it’s just Berkeley…haha. The rep definitely comes with the territory, but it really isn’t as extreme as it once was. Basically, it sounds like these kids, for some reason, are frowning upon the fact that Cal is known for lots of student activism, period. I don’t know…just sounds slightly ignorant to me. I think if your school DOESN’T have much student involvement/activism, it’s kind of a bummer.</p>
<p>And, to add to your co-op comments…you are right on!! I’m not sure if it was Cloyne, but I went to a party at a co-op, and it was prettty out of control! It was just like…“aaaand we’re at Berkeley.” Haha. Your description is identical to what I encountered (sans the LSD purchase…not too sure if that was going down, but I wouldn’t be surprised, lol) so maybe it was Cloyne!! I remember going through huge green doors to get in, and crazy paintings/lyrics all over the walls, graphic paintings of “genitalia”, Alice and Wonderland scenes…all kinds of gnarly stuff. Oh–and the party “theme” seemed to be cross dressing…never a dull moment! I had a blast, though.</p>
<p>Anyway, I have definitely contradicted my previous post with this one, so perhaps I’ll rephrase…It’s still ultra-hippie-liberal (especially in comparison to most of the other UCs), but it is also a very progressive, prestigious, and academically challenging school (duh–do I really even need to be writing this?). It may be tree-huggy, but it’s not tree-huggy the way it was in the 60s. I guess these “friends” were only arguing that it’s a liberal school, so I suppose they are correct…the negative tone of the statement sent me rambling.</p>
<p>I just don’t understand the train of thought. For example, I know UCSB is a party school, but I don’t necessarily frown upon the academics themselves, I just know that is the stereotype of the atmosphere/student body. Likewise, why would the liberal stereotype affect the quality of education one might get at Cal and lead people to think “it’s not even a good school,” ya know?</p>
<p>@emilsinclair9</p>
<p>I know what u r talking about. I have visited UCB many times but seriously it is nothing until I visited the Co-op. The Co-op houses are exactly what you have described. I live in the Bay Area so all the “liberal/hippie stereotype” of Berkeley students don’t scare me. However, the Co-op are the EXTREMES of Hippies that shock me. I visited during the tour on CAL Day and I can see from the look of the freshmen parents, they were scared to death !!! haha</p>
<p>I like UCB but yeah, co-op = no no for me :)</p>
<p>@ nyc_dream: haha we very well could have been in the same tour group! I also live in the Bay Area and visited during Cal Day. I went to see Cloyne co-op, but seriously that place is a dump. I’m not saying that it’s uninhabitable, or that others wouldn’t enjoy it, but it wasn’t for me. It was littered with countless obscenities and graphic images lining the walls, and was accompanied by trash strewn about the floors. My Mom was appalled. I didn’t mind too much (I actually live right outside of SF), but I’d prefer to live somewhere with a higher standard of living. </p>
<p>You’re right about the freshman btw ■■■■■. They looked petrified! Alas, I can only imagine what they were thinking. </p>
<p>@ kizz: I see your point now. I wasn’t trying to argue, I just wasn’t entirely sure what you were contending. I agree with you completely! Berkeley’s academics are fantastic, and the ultra-liberal, hippie ideology lives on. Perhaps not to that same level of 60’s/70’s activism, but frankly I love its politically active, bustling, rambunctious nature! As you said, it’s fun to have that on a campus! </p>
<p>I completely agree with you in refuting mischellaneous’ points about Cal providing a poor education. This is obviously untrue, as we both know. Berkeley has many fine points and is superior to tons of other schools in terms of its academics and professors. Personally I would never turn down Cal simply because of its environment. However, somebody else may do so. I, like you, love its boisterous and intellectually infused state. I wouldn’t even change the co-ops. I think they provide a stark contrast to society’s norms, and I find that intriguing. Would I live there…hell no! lol. Too extreme for me :p.</p>
<p>haha you were probably at Cloyne or the LGBT House. I hear both co-ops have pretty intense parties.</p>
<p>The only bad reputation that Berkeley has is that it’s not as social as the other UCs, and the women aren’t as hot as they are in some of the other UCs.</p>
<p>It’s not as bad as UCSD, though. Those girls are HIDEOUS.</p>
<p>And Berkeley’s weather is nothing like San Francisco’s - it’s actually very sunny for most of the year.</p>
<p>there is absolutely nothing bad about UCB, it is perfectt!!</p>
<p>I don’t get how Berkeley can be sunny, and San Fran(20 miles away) is any different? Lol u said they are nothing alike. I find that hard to believe</p>
<p>^ Trust me it is. San Francisco has many micro climates it self, where I can be in the Richmond/Sunset near Ocean beach it’s cold and foggy, and then you drive downtown where its sunny.</p>