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So you're saying most men would be more attracted to a Hillary Clinton than a stay-at-home version of Penelope Cruz?
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<p>How about a working, engaged-in-the-world Penelope Cruz? I wouldn't want a wife who wanted to stay at home unless it was to give kids love and attention....and that is of course why a lot of difficulties and unfairnesses arise.</p>
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they don't want their wives to go out and meet hotter men
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Depends on the woman, but a woman bored out of her skull at home is probably more likely to stray, in my opinion.</p>
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That's true, but what I meant was that in a male-dominated world, women are more valued for their looks than for anything else. Therefore, women internalize their self-worth as purely a function of their attractiveness to men, and in order to establish superiority to other women, they will prove themselves more "worthy" by being more attractive to men. If men didn't run the world and generally favour pretty women who remain obedient at home, that sorority at DePauw couldn't have cared less if their sisters had a "bad" rep.
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<p>Once again, I disagree. I don't think that's something men force on women...not solely anyways and not anymore. I don't think women are above pressuring other women or taking the brunt of the responsbility for making it hard on one another. I think the same is true for men and yes, some men get it twisted and think it's women making their lives miserable when really, it's other guys.</p>
<p>I don't see how women have asked and still ask for all this freedom yet disregard any of the responsibility. Just like with sexual liberation, to use a familiar example. If we are going to accept that some women can and will have sex like men (meaning they have sex with many partners without getting heavily involved with any of them), they need to accept that some people might find that type of behavior to be a bit whorish. That's the price you pay. Men pay a price too because that behavior somehow becomes synonymous with masculinity and thus, you must chase tail to prove you're a man. </p>
<p>It seems to me that women want the vanity, but not the title "vain." Because men, for the most part, like women. They might prefer one type over another, but again, those are preferences. If faced with a girl who is interested in him, most guys will at least consider it. But I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a guy who simply won't date an entire type of women (except maybe the morbidly obese types, but...exception, not the rule). But you will find women all the time who only date certain types of guys. Why they continually chase these types when the relationship doesn't work out is beyond me, but that's besides the point.</p>
<p>Do you know why guys think that all pretty girls are self-obsessed idiots? Its because they're intimidated by the girls who actually have opinions outside of lipsticks colors. You guys sitting around beotching about drama obsessed girls, well then maybe you're looking for the wrong kind of girl.
Men are intimidated by strong opinionated women, so they go for the cutesy-poo morons, and then come here to complain about it.
Get over yourselves guys.
And incidentally, I think that Ugg boots are hideous. whoever designed them should be shot.</p>
<p>Well if that isn't typical. "Men are afraid of strong, opinionated women." Yeah, and women are afraid of being with a guy who acts like he wouldn't cheat on them. <em>eye rolls</em></p>
<p>By the way, men aren't afraid of strong women. But we like to feel like we're men. Strange, I know. But I don't know too many women who would rather their boyfriends treat them like buddies and call them "dude" all the time and flake out on them because something more interesting came up and gave them high fives, would they? Didn't think so, Mrs. Clinton.</p>
<p>Ha. I like all all of the wishabee alpha-male types immediately reject Hillary as a candidate in order to try to prove their manlihood. These types are still VERY afraid of having a woman in power.</p>
<p>And if you say, "I'll have a woman president, just not Hillary WAH@!@" You are proving my point even further.</p>
<p>I actually kinda have to go with Jason on this one. Not that we are afraid of strong women, but we still like to feel like the man in the relationship. You won't find many guys who enjoy crying into the arms of their girlfriend, or always having their girlfriend buy flowers for them, or opening doors for them, or play sports while they stay inside and cook. Like it or not, there are certain things/actions more befitting to guys and vice versa, so when a woman comes along who acts in many ways like a man well...frankly it's a turn-off. We like girls who are like girls. We don't like girls who are like men. That just seems to make sense.</p>
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We like girls who are like girls. We don't like girls who are like men. That just seems to make sense.
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And then when you go after the "girls who act like girls" they **** you off and you come here to complain about it before hooking up with another one. seems smart.</p>
<p>I personally can't wait for college guys.</p>
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Like it or not, there are certain things/actions more befitting to guys and vice versa, so when a woman comes along who acts in many ways like a man well...frankly it's a turn-off.
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<p>I agree, but how exactly does a woman act like a man? The most open-minded person would probably say that anything short of surgery is still befitting a woman, while a neanderthal would say that talking when not spoken to is not feminine.</p>
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Like it or not, there are certain things/actions more befitting to guys and vice versa, so when a woman comes along who acts in many ways like a man well...frankly it's a turn-off.
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<p>No...that has to do with preference. I know guys that won't date a girl if she's not athletic or at least willing to try/learn. Just an example, but yeah.</p>
<p>Maybe you're referring to the extreme butchy cases, though?</p>
<p>Hey, I personally can't wait for college girls!!</p>
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And then when you go after the "girls who act like girls" they **** you off and you come here to complain about it before hooking up with another one. seems smart.
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<p>Well, we don't always make the best decisions. Some of us are young and still learning about the human condition. We go towards what seems like the best decision...just like women do. It's just that, when we end up screwing up a relationship, we're defective and when women ruin relationships, they're wounded. No one picks us up and gives us a tour of the nearest "victimhood."</p>
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I agree, but how exactly does a woman act like a man? The most open-minded person would probably say that anything short of surgery is still befitting a woman, while a neanderthal would say that talking when not spoken to is not feminine.
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<p>You probably won't like the answer, but it's by letting us be who we are. Don't try to correct us all the time. Don't try to change little things here or there. Don't nag and complain that we don't pay you enough attention unless you have clear examples and not a feeling (because low self-esteem and being unappreciated are two different things; one is all in your mind). Don't tell us to "love you for who are" but then use the better part of the relationship trying to dilute and tweak who WE are.</p>
<p>Sorry for the tangent. I just re-read the statement and realized that I typed something that has nothing to do with what the poster asked. I'll leave what I said up there, though. I think it needs to be said.</p>
<p>Most women don't act like men as individuals or around other women. It's the kind of attitude women cop when they deal with other men or in a relationship. It's that kind of ruthless, austere, stern, "tough", bad-ass attitude that might be considered manly. And also, it's about determining the how she treats people versus how she's treated...and how she expects to be treated. Some girls I've met, love to act like they're the baddest *****es you've ever met...until they get their feelings hurt. Then not only are they crying masses, but they EXPECT YOU to feel compassion for them. </p>
<p>I guess what I'm trying to say is a woman who naturally has more in common with men or what is considered to be manly traits will find someone. A woman who tries to be "mannish" and "girly" in equal measures are the insufferable types we don't like. Be one or the other.</p>
<p>Thanks for clearing the whole "acting manly" thing up (I was almost worried there for a bit). What you're saying makes a lot of sense.</p>
<p>"...play sports while they stay inside and cook"</p>
<p>lol stay inside and cook? is that what women do nowadays?</p>