<p>I do sense that in the coming years every woman will become a lesbian. But men do bring the man-hating on themselves. Comments such as:</p>
<p>Once again, I bet you're pretty. Really pretty.</p>
<p>by the lovely Jason will cause such man-hating to occur. What exactly is the point that you're trying to make about pretty girls, Jason?</p>
<p>NYU, first of all, if that's true for men, it's doubly true for women. Second, society holds women to higher standards than men IN SOME AREAS because women hold other women to higher standards. I mean, for a crude example, check out one of the featured threads on this page about the sorority kicking girls out because of looks. Women judge women every bit as harsh as men judge women. </p>
<p>I don't agree with men on a lot of things, but considering there isn't some social mandate that we treat men, even men we don't know, with special treatment or with a kind attitude, I guess that's why we get away with so much. A thousand women could say "men are dogs" and more than likely, you won't hear that "M" word come up once. But if a thousand men said "women suck", not only will they be called the other "M" word (misandrist) but they will be referred to their nearest gay bathhouse for reprogramming. </p>
<p>And I called BlahDeBlah pretty because it's usually the prettiest girls who are dense, self-absorbed, easily offended, forever wounded, and enjoy missing the point. I bet katho is pretty, too. I don't mean that offensively -- to her, at least -- but whenever you have someone on a thread that can't discuss the general topic of the thread without making it about them and their stories, I call that self-centered. And the rest I just infer.</p>
<p>"And I called BlahDeBlah pretty because it's usually the prettiest girls who are dense, self-absorbed, easily offended, forever wounded, and enjoy missing the point. I bet katho is pretty, too. I don't mean that offensively -- to her, at least -- but whenever you have someone on a thread that can't discuss the general topic of the thread without making it about them and their stories, I call that self-centered. And the rest I just infer."</p>
<p>In other words, it's your way of throwing an insult and a compliment at the same time. After all, all women really care about is being pretty for men, right?</p>
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<p>This is due to the very fact that men judge women so harshly. Take that sorority case for instance. In a world where men didn't value a woman's looks and social skills so much, why on Earth would a sorority care if they were perceived as the homely and awkward one? As men, we can't force women to institutionalize and internalize male standards of female worth, and then denigrate them for trying to live up to it.</p>
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<p>DeluxeH'baller: Good one.....and I actually think there's a lot of validity to it. I think part of the reason that there's a double-standard is that many women on some level are attracted to guys with experience with other women. Men, on the other hand, are often threatened by the converse and want to control this behavior on some level. Take the response to rejection: a woman's not going to say: he's a slut, I hate him when it doesn't work out with a guy. But that would be a much more common refrain for a guy who was denied.</p>
<p>That's right. Guys are very, very jealous of other men that their girl has, might, or wants to hook up with.</p>
<p>However, I must admit to the same. I do not want to mess with the "tainted ****". If a guy has been with a girl I hate, I will refuse him or at least treat him with a certain degree of disrespect due to his promiscuity with said gross girl.</p>
<p>that word right there is C0("o")Ck</p>
<p>In one ridiculous facebook group made by women, there are two tenets. In so few words they are "Jealousy of our previous boyfriends is a turn-off. Deal with it." and another one is "Your ex-girlfriend is a WHORE. No questions asked."</p>
<p>If that isn't a stupid double-standard, I don't know what is.</p>
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This is due to the very fact that men judge women so harshly. Take that sorority case for instance. In a world where men didn't value a woman's looks and social skills so much, why on Earth would a sorority care if they were perceived as the homely and awkward one? As men, we can't force women to institutionalize and internalize male standards of female worth, and then denigrate them for trying to live up to it.
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<p>But...we don't. Men don't force women to institutionalize and internalize male standards of beauty. Women do. That's my point. And I don't know if I think there is a such thing as a "male standard of beauty" because -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- straight women will want to appear attractive to men, right? And vice versa...right? That's not really a standard in my book. A standard is something like all men saying that only women with long, flowing, blonde hair are beautiful. If men said that, I'd call that a standard, and an unfair one at that. But guys liking a girl with long, blonde hair isn't inherently standardizing beauty. It's a preference. Just like women have preferences. Would you consider guys working out all the time getting, getting bulky, a female standard of beauty?</p>
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<p>That's pretty much what I figured it always boiled down to. Unless, of course, if the girl in question isn't banging anyone - then she can't be a slut, so she's probably a frigid, stuck-up b*tch instead.</p>
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<p>You forgot to mention something about failing to ever give (or maybe even have) a reason for the whole thing in the first place. ;)</p>
<p>ANYWAY</p>
<p>What ****es me off is that "slut" seems to be a term used only for females. Why, I ask? Males are the ones with the HIV.</p>
<p>You need to really stop saying things now, nyuwishabee. And make me my damn dinner.</p>
<p>ha. go bake me a pie. thats what you're probably best at. oh what snap.</p>
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But...we don't. Men don't force women to institutionalize and internalize male standards of beauty. Women do. That's my point. And I don't know if I think there is a such thing as a "male standard of beauty" because -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- straight women will want to appear attractive to men, right? And vice versa...right? That's not really a standard in my book. A standard is something like all men saying that only women with long, flowing, blonde hair are beautiful. If men said that, I'd call that a standard, and an unfair one at that. But guys liking a girl with long, blonde hair isn't inherently standardizing beauty. It's a preference. Just like women have preferences. Would you consider guys working out all the time getting, getting bulky, a female standard of beauty?
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<p>That's true, but what I meant was that in a male-dominated world, women are more valued for their looks than for anything else. Therefore, women internalize their self-worth as purely a function of their attractiveness to men, and in order to establish superiority to other women, they will prove themselves more "worthy" by being more attractive to men. If men didn't run the world and generally favour pretty women who remain obedient at home, that sorority at DePauw couldn't have cared less if their sisters had a "bad" rep.</p>
<p>Look at it this way...how many male beauty pageants do you know of vs. female ones? A lot of girls are thrust into that world before they're old enough to even know what's going on for crying out loud. </p>
<p>There is definitely more emphasis placed on female beauty...but it's more of a societal thing than anything else.</p>
<p>And while there may not be a standard in beauty that works for everyone, it's hard to deny that the skinny, blonde cheerleader and tall, muscular jock images aren't ideals of sorts.</p>
<p>that could clear something up.</p>
<p>"If men didn't run the world and generally favour pretty women who remain obedient at home.."</p>
<p>Um, what decade are you living in? This is untrue nowadays. Well, vice versa for me of course. My man will be very obedient and stay home. I must protect him from ever seeing other girls!!!!!!</p>
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<p>So you're saying most men would be more attracted to a Hillary Clinton than a stay-at-home version of Penelope Cruz?</p>
<p>Um, first of all, most women that stay at home in honor of their husbands' wishes are downright hideous (hence their low-self esteem causing them to obey their husbands) and their husbands are even worse (they don't want their wives to go out and meet hotter men). Plus, Hilary Clinton is a wife. Penelope Cruz is not.</p>
<p>So, nbachris, are you saying you wouldn't stay home if I asked you to? (In the case that we were married and I am a Penelope Cruz look-alike)</p>