HKU or HKUST

<p>rubichino: don’t worry about it, you’ll be taking mandarin in university. it’s just that cantonese is spoken by the locals so it would be an advantage for you to be able to speak it if you decide to work in hong kong. :-)</p>

<p>shabab: triple rooms, double rooms - they’re both tiny as hell. :stuck_out_tongue: I think the triple room has bunk beds though, therefore making the room seem even smaller. if that extra $1000 or so really matters then… I guess you could choose the triple room but hmm three guys living in cramped spaces… hahah</p>

<p>niksy_nik7: why don’t you call up ust and ask? it’ll be easier than doing it through e-mails. one phone call > bunch of frustrated e-mails</p>

<p>@Shabab
Check the link below to see all the types of accomodation in HKUST. Looks like its pretty cramped up there. </p>

<p><a href=“https://sao.ust.hk/housing/accommodation.html[/url]”>https://sao.ust.hk/housing/accommodation.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Any way new undergraduates can apply for hall VII?! En-suite bathrooms + single rooms… ahhhhhh</p>

<p>@spillcanvas
yeh that hall looks awesome. definitely its gonna cost much more than the normal plus only 50 single rooms.</p>

<p>How many of u guys are non-chinese looking over here</p>

<p>hey guys,</p>

<p>i am a current intl student here at ust and since many of you seem to be interested, i thought i might share my views -</p>

<p>first of, hkust is a great university not just in rankings but also in terms of research and student experience</p>

<p>if you want to go for the rankings, then we are among the best in asia and within the top 25 -40 universities worldwide in almost all rankings. you can check out the recent QS asia rankings (specifically for asia and not the whole world), the THES world rankings etc.</p>

<p>and also in the rankings based on research our engineering and business faculties are among the best in the world esp electronic engineering, accounting, and almost all other majors.</p>

<p>and of course the very famous executive and mba rankings - as always we are the best</p>

<p>pros:</p>

<p>1.a stunning campus - we have the most beatiful campus that you can ask for - a nice beach with forests on the side - you never regret the walk from your dorm to the lecture theatre everyday.</p>

<p>2.the campus again!! - it is quite close to the city center yet far enough to make you feel that you are in a resort far far away. all that “hku in centre and ust out of city” is crap. you can get to mong kok within 30 minutes.</p>

<p>3.great research - 100% of our professors are Phd and they publish research articles in some of the top most journals. if you are interested, you can always participate in the UROP</p>

<p>4.some really good programs - like gbus, dual degree, qfin etc. these are like the hottest programs in hk and attract the best students</p>

<p>5.diverse student body - we have a hell lot of intl students and add to it hundreds of exchange students from alomst all over the world - us, uk, germany, italy, chile, brazil - you name it and we have it. so more than 10-15% of your class will be constituted by international students. and i am not counting the mainlanders as non locals. in the business school, the ratio is even high.</p>

<p>cons–</p>

<p>1.english - this is not exactly the fault of hkust. it is hk`s problem. most of the locals and mainland students cannot speak english so fluently thereby liminting your social circle. but then looking at it from another perspective, this is the whole point of going to a foerign country. so just pick up cantonese or mandarin to make the experience more fulfilling</p>

<p>2.competition - well this is quite complicated. there are some real smart guys esp from mainland who enter the library at 8am as soon as it opens and study the whole day till 10pm. they always get A+. ofcourse there are some slackers mainly the locals and intls. as a general rule of thumb, the mainlanders steal away all the As and the locals and intls are left out with Bs and Cs. so in sum, in academics, there is no dearth of competition. outside acadmeics, i.e. in extra curriculars the locals dominate. every bba student is on the executive committee of atleast one club or society and are involved in a plethora of other activities (which kinda explains their below average grades). so the mainlanders and locals together make life inside and outside academics pretty hard for intls!!</p>

<p>but then a fine point is that though competition is high, it does not mean that the students are of mit or caltech calibre in the sense we dont have geniuses or quirks. but our student body can definitely match the calibre of ucb or umich (of course you completely have to remove the english component). by competition i mean, if you have 100 places, there are 150 qualified people. but the average comeptency of those 150 is not high (again when compared to mit or caltech. if your yardstick if nus or hku or the mid range us universities like umich etc. then we are straight up the alley)</p>

<p>and regarding job oppurtunities, we have people who get $8000 a month and we also have people who get $200,000 a month (not joking at all - straight from last years graduate survey). first you ahve to realize that you determine your future and not the university. well i do agree the prestige of the university matters. </p>

<p>say you apply for a job or graduate study. the prestige of your ug university can account for a max of 5-10%. so even if you hail from mit or yale and your gpa and ec record is ****ty, then you are not going to get in anywhere. so it is you that matters and not the university. and for the 5-10% university prestige, hkust can completely satisfy it meaning that every employer in the region knows the calibre of ust graduates. </p>

<p>so all in all you can have one hell of a time here in ust. just be prepared for a lot of cantonese and some tough competition.</p>

<p>some more stuff i wanted to add - </p>

<p>pros–</p>

<ol>
<li>the cafe!!! - just walk through the cafe and you can see faces of every different ethnicity within 2 minutes. the cafe is like a mini mun!! </li>
</ol>

<p>7.teaching - is great and we have a low faculty-student ratio. and we also have a lot of teaching assistants. every professor i have had till now is really friendly and helpful and more importantly deeply interested and knowledgeable in their subject. so the lectures are really intereesting and informative. </p>

<p>and finally since this whole thread is hku vs hkust, i would sign off by saying that hkust is the best uni for business in the whole of asia, for engineering the best (or atleast one of the best) and for science the faculty is really great and their research is amazing, but the student quality is not that good. so no matter what you are looking at, you can be rest assured that hku, hkust, nus, ntu or cuhk, all are of approximately the same level on the global scale. some are specialized in certain areas and are really good and reputable. like gbus for hkust, medicine for hku etc. </p>

<p>but what i belive makes hkust better than hku is the size. first hkust is relatively small, your graduation class size is on an average about 100 which is just like high school. (i mean that only about 100 students are admitted on an average to a specific major for eg. mechanical engg admits only about 100 students a year, the entire bba program (mkt, mgto, fin etc.) together admit only about 700 students which equates to less than 100 students per major. ofcourse some courses admit only 40 or 50 like gbus, dual degree etc.) so you are not lost in a big whirlpool and lose your identitity. and since there are only 3 schools - science, engg and business - the total number of students is also quite low and this gives a sense of community and individualism. but then in hku and cuhk where you have more than 20,000 students walking all around, it is quite easy to get lost and get confused.</p>

<p>and again we don`t have a school for every other discipline like nursing, medicine, law, animal studies, botany and all the ****. we are highly focusses and specialized. we focus only on science, engg and business - and even in there three areas we specialize in certain aspects and leave out the rest. for example in the biochemistry department all the faculty have joined hands to work on a single massive project instead of a dozen insignificant ones. since every person you come in contact with is from these three disciplines, you can benefit a lot and stay focussed. (however some people who i call freaks still maintain that interacting with a theatre major student will help them in their search for jobs in mechanical enggg!!)</p>

<p>that was a really long post!!</p>

<p>if you ahve any other questions, feel free to post them and i will share whatever information i have</p>

<p>and ya talking about questions, some of you wanted to know about foundation year. i just spoke to another fellow international student who studied year 0. it seems that every mainland and intl (except ib) student has to take year 0. if you are in engg then you will be studying math, physics, english, putonghua (basic) and some other graduation realted courses (like some social science courses which are compulsory to graduate). for the business school, you will mainly be studying english and math and some other business breadth courses.</p>

<p>as for credit waivers, you can get rid of math and lang courses if you have sufficient proof like toefl or high school math record (in his case it seems that he showed his french baccleaurate a levels and his math grade). but i heard that most students take the courses since year 0 is the only time where they can realx and enjoy hkust. once year 1 comes on, then you are caught up in a brimming ocean of midterms, presentations, assignments, project reports and so on.</p>

<p>oh ya, forgot to mention about the mosst important thing - the university of stress and tension. man this post i getting too lon g, but i have so much to say</p>

<p>yes it is quite true that the stress and tension level of almost every ust student is really high. most of the time tou are lost and confused and over whlemed by the oppurtunities and tasks in front of you. you have so much to do and so little a time. you are always stressed and exams come and go every other week. in the fall semester, the classes begin on sept 1st, everyone is happy and bright and optimistic and laid back. then within a few days you have the headache of registering for all the courses you want. then the registration period gets over by sept 15th and then you start settling in with your comfirmed courses and buying the books. before you know it, you have your first midterm in the last week of september. and thats where the story begins. what follows is seried of midterms and homeworks and assignments course after course and it all ends in the end of november. wait you have your finals in early december. life is really crammed and once the semester starts rolling, it is very difficult to lift up your head and make sense of things. its like you are caught up in a storm on a fiery ocean. forgot to mention, these myriad papers and exams are interspersed with project meetings, internship applications, enrichment activities, hall activities, presentations, omg!! looking back, the last 2 years seem to have gone in a flash. its like flash, long winter, flash, long summer and again the cyle starts. i am happy i survived it with somewhat okay grades.</p>

<p>anyways, this post has gotten wayout of hand and s too long. most of you would have gone to sleep by now!!</p>

<p>Hey , man , very informative post.
Could you pls elaborate more on Placement and jobs for a CS BEng graduate in hk & US, provided you have good grades.
You mean an under graduate got 200k per month after graduation , without any postgraduation. Can you provide me the link where i can see all this information.
and HKUST was ranked 4th in asia , above NUS and NTU.
Which US university will you compare HKUST with?
If like someone wants A grades , how much on an average should he study everyday?</p>

<p>Wow, such a long post,
Definitely helpful for UST gangs here!
hahaha,
But i already chose HKU and denied UST :blush:
I got a ‘buddy’ too… from HKU buddy program…</p>

<p>niksy - i am not sure exactly about the job oppurtunities in the US. as far as i know you could enter some mnc as a international executive trainee and then go to the US. i don`t think any US company will come and recruit students from here and them have them work in the US. however there are good chances that a us company or otherwise might recruit you in HK and then send you to the US for a project.

anyway as far as working in the US is concerned, it is close to impossible no matter where you study. given todays economic situation, the chances are really bad even if you study in the US. most of the international students in the US universities go back home to work since it is extremely difficult or i should say indeterminate to get a work visa in the lottery system

so as fas the realms of my knowledge extend, i think chances of working in the US are quite slim except the two options suggested before - intl management trainee and getting recruited locally and then going to the US for a project etc.

but i am no expert, you should check up with some career consultant

but then hey, the whole point of coming to HK is to know more about china. every intl student here has chosen hkust mainly because of the "china" factor. not only is the chinese culture exotic and charming, but also china is todays fastest growing economy and most of the jobs in the future will be based in china. so studying in HK is an excellence choice as it opens up a lot of new oppurtunities

as far as CS is concerned, you will be happy to know that last year the highest salary for CS graduates was around 160,000. but then in the back to back year it was quite low, so you cannot be sure. but then job forcasts have suggested that software engineering, biotechnology and environmental technology are the hottest careers in the coming decade given the bad financial situation. so your choice of major (CS) is quite good.

and btw, good grades do not determine everything. it is just one part, in fact just the begining. that is you need to have a good gpa just for initital screeening. i have heard from career advisors that your gpa should be above 9 (B+) to be considered for a good job. but beyond that your grades cant help you. your soft skills and presentation will be more crucial from there on.

you can check the salaries here - https://career.ust.hk/cgi-bin/web/cctr_survey.php?action=show_ug&id=2008# - provided you have a ITSC username and password. in case you dont, just wait for a while, they will give it by the end of august

and ya hkust is the 4th best uni in asia overall - [QS Top Universities: Top 200 Universities](http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/asianuniversityrankings/asian_university_rankings_top_200_universities/)

and then regarding a similar us university, it is quite difficult since a very few us universities focus on science, engg and business. but my personal opinion is that hkust esp the business school is quite in the likes of northwestern, umich, georgia tech, and so on - basically the mid range tech schools. but ya anyone on the street would say the above universities are way better than ust. even the local students feel the same and that explains why exchange program is so famous among the locals and mainlanders. but then i don`t see much difference between the above universities and hkust - only as universities. if you start comparing the student bodies, then the us students are much more global minded and have good leadership skills. but when you compare the faculty and research i think the universities are quite similar.</p>

<p>and regarding the workload, the rule of thumb is that you have to spend three times the credit load for a good grade. so if you are taking say 16-17 credits, then you have to study approximately 50 hours a week apart from lectures, tutorials etc. this is only for a b or b+. for a+ i think you should work a lot more. however if you are smart, then you could finish up quickly. but then as i said before, there are too many activities on campus and within 2 months you will completely lose interest ins studies and focus more on the activities. so like everybody else, you will be cramming up right before the exams (sometimes even in front of the exam hall). everybody denies it, but in the end this is ehat happens.</p>

<p>u mean 160k /month or annum.
And what is the average salary for a CS graduate if you have some information?
and how low was it the previous year?</p>

<p>and must say, very informative posts.</p>

<p>@smithjohn007- Thanks a lot that was very informative. Since you are a UST student, do you happen to know roughly the amount of money you spend every month over there? I’m kind of struggling with the budget I’m trying to set. Thanks.</p>

<p>@niksy_nik7- LOL. I’m Filipino so I’m kinda Chinese looking but also with Malay characteristics haha</p>

<p>one more thing, is it tough to get performance based scholarship after foundation year.
My marks were very good and i could have got full scholarship but missed due to late submission of documents.</p>

<p>just checked the records, the mean was around 15000 and the lowest was 8000</p>

<p>so as i said, it depends a lot on you and how much you work</p>

<p>and last year the mean was around 13000 , but the highest was around 26000</p>

<p>and ya, you are just entering university, so i think you should take it easy. you have four more years ahead of you to worry about and work. this is the time to rejoice and enjoy all the activities the uni has orgainzed for you!!</p>

<p>danjroman - good question. it depends. it costs about $50-100 a day for food. there is some really cheap food and some really costly food available both on campus and outside campus. hang hau is very close and has a variety of restaurants. the campus mcdonalds meal costs approximately $25 and so if you eat twice a day (like me, i just have 2 big meals a day, and by big, i mean “BIG”) it will cost about $50. but then you cant survive on mac the whole time, so it think on an average you can spend anywhere from $50-100 based on your budget. </p>

<p>and the aircon costs $1 a hour and in the first few months and the last few months i.e. sept, oct, april and may the weather is really hot and so you have to use the aircon. so that comes to a few hundred dollars. and of course set aside some money for miscellaneous expenses like octopus (Travelling), laundry, etcccc. apart from that i don`t think you will encounter any big expenses (ofcourse not considering accidents or medical expenses). </p>

<p>my estimate is, if you are not a big spender then $3000 should be more than sufficient.
(housing not included)</p>

<p>niksy - i think it is quite difficult to get scholarship as an international student since most of the scholarships are reserved for local and mainland students. however if your acadmeic record is really good (by academic record i mean your gpa in hkust) then you might be nominated for some department based scholarship. you can check out more details at <a href=“http://www.scholarship.ust.hk%5B/url%5D”>www.scholarship.ust.hk</a>. even though there are a lot of scholarships, some of them have strict requirements and generally it is quite difficult to get scholarship if you miss the chance at the begining. but it is not impossible.</p>

<p>and remember all scholarship decisions are made at the begining of the acadmeic year. so you can get additional scholarship, if any, only during sep 2010. so plan your finances accordingly</p>

<p>u mean 160k /month or annum.
And what is the average salary for a CS graduate if you have some information?
and how low was it the previous year?</p>

<p>In ur previous post u said , that is was 160k per month and now only 26k for a CS graduate??</p>

<p>In ur previous posts you are talking about monthly or annually salary?</p>

<p>in both posts, i referred to the monthly salary</p>

<p>last year - 165k per month and mean was around 15k</p>

<p>back to back year - 26k per month was the highest and the mean was around 12-13k</p>

<p>thats a huge difference,
anyway thanks and what are you pursuing, and any idea what will happen in the 1st few days in the University, Do u know any Indians over there in your batch and otherwise?</p>

<p>yup. that was my point, the difference is huge which means you determine your salary</p>

<p>and ya, there are some indian students here. just ask the intl student office and they will hook you up with one of them. i think they should have laready done that. i heard somewhere that all new intl students will be assigned a buddy from their same country/region. i think your buddy will contact you soon</p>

<p>well the first few days of the university will be the best and the most cherished. you have a presidential and department welcome on september 1 and the whole uni looks like one big party. for the next two weeks, you just try to register for your courses and get exemption if possible. the lectures are quite simple and introductory and the professor takes you on for a fun ride and lectures are full of funny anecdontes and stuff. but then from the third week, the fun ride is over and get ready for some serious ass kicking!!</p>

<p>@smithjohn007</p>

<p>Could please tell me which country r u from and what r u majoring in? and also which year u r in?</p>

<p>Also, I am hoping to do a bit of part-time work there in UST to cover my costs, any idea of whether the Int’l students have any part-time working oppurtunities there? and also do u have any idea of hourly pay-rates there for part-time work in UST?</p>

<p>And is it possible to juggle all those together, studies, work and extra curriculars? (with good grades ofcourse, within B+ to A+)</p>

<p>thanx.</p>

<p>ohh and have any of yall got ur visas yet? i havent got it yet.</p>