<p>how hard? =(</p>
<p>17.5</p>
<p>(your question is kind of hard to answer)</p>
<p>it’s a little harder than in state, but it depends on your intended college and other factors as well.</p>
<p>it’s rather easy. just book a flight to sfo or oakland airport. take the bart or a bus to berktown. and go in. it’s an open campus and there’s like a billion entrances; tons of people walk in and out every day.</p>
<p>wittyresponse/10</p>
<p>I honestly have no clue, but people’ve told me around the difficulty of the lower ivies.</p>
<p>Most lower ivies are easier than Berkeley OOS. I know people who got into real ivies or MIT and didn’t get into Berkeley OOS. If you’re OOS (or even more so if you’re international) you’ll probably do well.</p>
<p>I know this is a bump from a year ago, but I find this peculiar and interesting. Where’s the proof that it’s harder to get into OOS than instate…The acceptance rate is higher OOS and wouldn’t they want more OOS students so they can grab their money and run?</p>
<p>I guess it makes sense that OOS is much self-selective than instate (those students who apply for Cal just for the heck of it because they’ve already completed the UC app), but I don’t understand what benefit Berkeley could get in making OOS so competitive.</p>
<p>When I applied to colleges, I got rejected from every single ivies and Duke, but somehow got accepted to all top 5 public schools, and ended up choosing Berkeley.</p>
<p>Berkeley and Ivies have different admissions criteria. The Ivies love high test scores. the UCs love high GPA. </p>
<p>last year, Berkeley didn’t want OOS, so the OOS acceptance rate was very low. This year was a different story.</p>
<p>If I were an OOS student, I would never come here. This place has been horrible. It is crowded and packed 
You have to fight for everything. I wish I went to a private school.</p>
<p>hahahaha
Welcome to Berkeley. The NUMBER 1 PUBLIC UNIVERSITY!!!</p>
<p>I know, so much for being number one If this is the number one public university, I wonder how horrible the other public universities are, lol.</p>
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<p>The proof comes from past applicant data for in-state students and out-of-state students, and Berkeley themselves as well as the UC system who have said they favor in-state because they are Californian public schools and their top priority is to admit as many Californian students as possible. They have also published admissions criteria which state “in-state resident” as “very important” along with “SAT scores” and “GPA”. (I saw this a couple of years back; I wish I could find it right now but I can’t)</p>
<p>Why is it harder to get in as an out-of-state or international applicant? For the reason I mentioned above. UC Berkeley (and the other UCs) receives a lot of money from the state that comes from Californian taxpayers, and as such they have to admit mostly Californians, or there would be public outcry. </p>
<p>As to why the acceptance rate for OOS is higher, there are a couple of explanations. The first is that OOS students know that Berkeley is harder to get in from OOS, so they don’t even bother to apply. The second is that Berkeley costs as much as a private school for OOS, but obviously do not provide the same level of quality because they are a public school and has to house a much larger undergraduate population, leading to a lower faculty-to-student ratio, crowded classes, and so on. And the third reason, I suspect a lot of people outside of California don’t even know about Berkeley, or at least wouldn’t consider applying. If you live in California, how many people do you know who applied to any of the SUNYs (public schools in NY)? Probably none or very few. For those who say “but Berkeley is world-renown!” True, but so are Oxford and Cambridge, and very few American applicants apply to those. Location plays a large role and there are a lot more in-state applicants than OOS.</p>
<p>I have also heard that Berkeley has been trying to get more OOS students lately, which would make sense because I remember a few years back the acceptance rates were about the same. If you’re aware of the budget problems, one theory would be that admitting more OOS and fewer in-state means they’re losing less money per student.</p>