<p>As of now, Michigan is my D's #1 choice. We haven't made our campus visit yet (we're flying up next weekend actually), so her mind could chance but this point in time I'm doubting it. The more she reads about UMich, the more she seems to like it and from what I've heard from collegues is that Ann-Arbor is a pretty area.</p>
<p>However, she is also becoming more distressed about her "chances" since she is coming from out-of-state (Virginia).</p>
<p>I believe her chances are good, but I'll admit I do not know much about Michigan. Does anyone know about how hard Michigan is on out-of-staters in admissions? Or have any mean statistics?</p>
<p>D is planning on applying to College of Engineering at this point in time.</p>
<p>I might get attacked, but if you apply before November, around October, as Mich is rolling, if you have above a 1350 and 90 GPA, you are a shoe-in. I have not seen a kid from my hs not get with these stats if they applied early. BTW, it doesn't make too much sense to pay the out-of-state tuition at Michiagn, when UVA is just as good. Idk how UVA engineering is.....?</p>
<p>D is applying to UVA too (or at least is planning too at this point), but she wants a "different" atmosphere from high school and 99.9% of her high school's 1st choice school is UVA, which is a major turnoff. UVA engineering isn't as good as UMich... although I think (but I'm not positive) that VA Tech is close. D completely refuses to even apply or visit Tech so that ones out. Money isn't an issue for us, so if Michigan is what she loves and she gets in, then I have no problem paying for it.</p>
<p>That is nice to hear, reading some other statistics had us a bit scared. I feel if we were instate she would be a shoe-in, but out of state is a bit worrisome.</p>
<p>i agree with bball.....make sure she applies as early as she can....that'll almost guarantee admission</p>
<p>a few of my friends with excellent stats applied late which is around or on the deadline and were all waitlisted and i heard that umich hasn't touched their waitlist in years......</p>
<p>Bball is correct...but not entirely. A 3.7 GPA with a 1350 will not make an applicant a shoe-in. In fact, more out-of-state applicants with those stats get rejected than accepted. The mean GPA/SAT for entering students is roughly 3.7/1320...and that includes in-staters. Our of staters have slightly high credentials. However, an out-of-state applicant with over a 3.9 GPA with at least a 1400 on the SAT is a virtual shoe-in if she/he applies early enough.</p>
<p>NCSU, can you share your daughter's unweighed GPA and SAT scores with us? We can probably give you a betteridea of her chances if we know what we are dealing with. </p>
<p>And Bball, in Engineering, Michigan is significantly better than UVa.</p>
<p>Her G.P.A unweighted is a 4.0 currently (but she thinks it will be dropping to a 3.9 something) and her SAT score is currently a 1460. Rank is 9/294 if it matters.</p>
<p>We're worried about her lack of math/science EC's hurting her in admission to Engineering College. Most of her EC's a music/drama related... which we know might be a slight problem at UVA. Not sure how it will be a Michigan.</p>
<p>I thought so, SchoolDuh0610, but she is considerably stressed about it. I apprecaite hearing that the chances are good she'll get into UMich (which is where her heart is set at the moment).</p>
<p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe a 90 would be 3.0? Then a 92 a 3.2? And so on. That is at least how they reconfigure GPA of students that come in to our school district with GPA's on that scale... but I am not aware how colleges do it.</p>
<p>NCSU, your daughter is as good as in unless she really messes up the application form. Her credentials are awesome! She should apply in September to benefit from rolling admissions.</p>
<p>Mahras, I would not convert the % average to a 4.0 scale GPA. Instead, take all your As and A-s and assign them scores of 4.0 and all your B+, B and B-s and assign them a value of 3 and all your C+s, Cs and C-s and assign them a value of 2.0. Only include your core classes (Math, Sciences, Languages, English, Social Sciences) for Sophomore and Junior years (Michigan does not look at Freshman grades). That is how Michigan calculates a GPA.</p>
<p>out-of -state for engi sounds easy, my friend with weak stats and mediocre essay (with grammar mistakes) got in, also, he was rejected by UVA's E-school (he's in state and E-school at UVA is the easiest to get into). so i have NO idea how he got in Michigan</p>
<p>Thom, I am not sure how your friend got into Michigan Engineering either! LOL Mediocre essays are not unusual since Michigan barely reads essays. But "almost retarded stats" will usually not get a student into Michigan. The mean unweighed GPA is 3.9 for the college of Engineering and the mean SAT is roughly 1340, 1370 or so for out of staters. Your friend is not unique mind you. Michigan is so huge, they admit a couple of weak students annually, but stdents with less than a 3.6 unweighed GPA and less than a 1250 on the SAT usually do not get in unless they are URMs.</p>
<p>Is it true that Umich admissions barely read essays? Since admissions changed from the indexed formula to a more holistic approach the two short statements and larger essay must carry some weight, yes?</p>
<p>Dudedad, Michigan's personal statements are not really that big a deal. Obviously, a student wants to write a well-thought out and well-written essay without any typos or spelling mistakes. The rules of grammar shouldalso be adhered to. In short, it should read like a college -level essay. However, the essays do not have to be creative or beautifully written.</p>