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<p>However, you can impose what society wants. And most Americans want to ban abortion and gay marriages.</p>
<p>no, because it is not society's prerogative to determine behavior that does not directly relate to society. </p>
<p>No matter how many people vote to put Person X in jail (arbitrarily), it is an unjust imposition on his fundamental rights. He has not affected society and thus he maintains prerogatives larger than social will</p>
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<p>Actually I don't think that is true. Most Americans are in favor of abortion rights to some extent. Only a minority thinks it should be completely banned. </p>
<p>I personally don't care about gay marriage. I think that gay couples should have the same tax privileges as married couples, but besides that it is not a main concern of mine. I would however have a major problem banning abortion. </p>
<p>I think the main problem is many people's objections to certain practices are religious in nature. Therefore you can't ban them simply for that. There are too many other people who disagree. Why should someone who doesn't share those beliefs have to live by your ideals?</p>
<p>there was an interesting case of sodomy in which the supreme court ruled that society could not dictate behavior not directly affecting society (in other words, society cannot dictate what goes on in the privacy of a bedroom).</p>
<p>A dissententing opinion (Antonin Scalia), went to a press thing and was defending his view. A reporter asked him "Do you sodomize your wife?"</p>
<p>The conference was immediately over. The reporter later said that the reason he asked that question was that if Scalia had his way, the country would have a right to ask that question to individuals. </p>
<p>In short, if it doesnt impose upon society, society cannot dictate it.</p>
<p>LOL, trancestorm, your post reminded me of Oscar Wilde :D</p>
<p>Yes. Thank you for that, trancestorm. My thoughts exactly. I value my privacy.</p>
<p>one thing i have noticed of overbearing christian philosophy is the lack of the "live and let live idea." I have seen christians invoke it when I begin to critisize their paradigms, however.</p>
<p>But then again, this is not the only inconsistency of christianity...Therre is also the "fatality of faith"- Oscar Wilde</p>
<p>KillerAngel, Rome and Greece were not pre-occupied with religion at all.</p>
<p>Okay, so they believed in a lot of gods. They didn't practice so it was so; they were largely indifferent to their gods considering how humanistic they were. </p>
<p>And the UK may be 70% "Christian," but hardly ANY of them are practicing Christians.</p>
<p>And America, though a lot are Christians, doesn't do things because "God told it to." We don't let every man vote because "God told us to."</p>
<p>Government is not based on religion in our country, nor in the UK. Okay, the President is Christian. He's also white. Is the whole country white? Hm... I bet, then, that the government is based on white society.</p>
<p>Ha... ha.</p>
<p>And trancestorm, I HATE FLORIDA. No offense taken, believe me. Get me out, now! Please?</p>
<p>Well, even though you guys screwed up the election for us (twice), i will forgive you because you have disney world :)</p>
<p>Oh, oh! Trancestorm, I can't claim to be part of that shame. </p>
<p>Because, then, I was a Californian. :)</p>
<p>I never said that pre-renaissance art was better than Renaissance art. Perhaps I phrased my post wrong. I said that Renaissance art was not all good. Computer encarta says that Giotto was a Renaissance artist. Perhaps Boticelli is not to my taste.
What if our world were governed by Christianity? What it great world it would be. A sense of morality would finally take hold of this world. If this world and nation were governed by Christianity, Murder would be non-existant. Theft would be unheard of. Lying wouldn't be. All of this because the Bible mandates these laws. There would be no terrorist attacks if this world were Christian. The problem is of human nature. The world was perfect before Eve ate of the forbidden fruit, but now human nature exists.
In the early to late 1800s, America was truly in a good position. I believe this to be true because people held to the bible. Now , look what happened in the 1970s and 80s. Christianity was at an all time low. Morality was low.
Trancestorm, the Bible is not wrong anywhere. You said that the Bible holds to a geocentric. That is incorrect. True, the Bible says that the earth is at the center of his love but not the universe. Creationism to a Christian is a valid theory.
I want to tell you a story. For years, historians mocked the Bible for claiming that the Hittites existed. Voltaire, for example, denied the existance of the hittites. For years, the Bible was the only record of the Hittites. What do you know? The hittites did exist after all.
Trancestorm, if you can prove to me a falsity of the Bible, I will cease to be a Christian. I always ask this to non-christians because they can never give me a valid answer. Rule: you can not mention ancient Hebrew law, for it does not apply to the everday Christian, just to the Jews.</p>
<p>"I bet that the government is based on white society" PLEASE, give me a break.....</p>
<p>not me (answer to topic question)</p>
<p>Justinian... Take a gander at this thread... It lists the many errors in the Bible.</p>
<p>in all honesty i cant believe you all...you all act like two year olds who are trying to prove that you know more than everyone else - even though their two! seriously...i have never found that it does any good to judge people by their religion...no one can say they're right and that everyone else is wrong...cause no matter what the majority will end up being wrong...if christianity is the "truth" most of the eastern world is completely screwed. and if buddhism is the "truth" well then i most certainly am screwed. and if atheism is the truth...well no offense, but that makes me sad, cause then we live, we die - so much for living...cause there really would be absolutely no point to it. but i guess i wont know who's right any time soon... but you all have a lot of balls, or most likely a lack there of, (this is an expression...for the all the girls who will read this, dont sound like a dumb butt by replying "hehe i cant have balls hehe" because not only will you look like the biggest dipsh** i will have ever met, you're not accomplishing anything by doing so) to claim that atheism is most definitely the way to go...and that i, as a christian, am weak. what the h<strong><em>??? frankly i could go on about how you've got to be kidding me that you think man is the highest level of intellectual thought there is...i find that to be stupid. but im not dumb to think that i can change you're thoughts. for me, religion is a part of life. i think that if you hate organized religion, you might as well get the h</em>ll out the US, as this country was founded upon religious beliefs, i.e, the puritans and christianity. but i know better than that...you all sound so da</strong> ignorant saying that all christians are fools - we're a bunch of republican a<strong>holes that cant make decisions without consulting the bible. this is not the f</strong>king 1700s...there is more to christianity than that. you all claim that christians are so closed minded, when you're the ones sitting there saying that we're stupid and weak for believing there is more to life than the great vastland of terrificly behaved humans called earth. i cant believe anyone is willing to settle on the belief that once they've went through this f<strong>ked up life, thats it - there's nothing more. but i'm not hypocritical like you trance and effulgent to say that i hate when people judge others, and then call you weak and stupid for believing there isnt a God. but what i love most of all about you two, is that you have no problem attacking christianity but i've yet to hear you say anything bad about any other religion...people can say stuff about jews and islam and get sued because of it...but to you all christianity's a joke. i could give a sh</strong> if you dont like christians as a whole...and if you think that we messed up europe with our religion...frankly i believe christians did mess it up...but WE didnt - psychotic people did...just like a psychotic muslim messed up iraq....just like psychotic aztecs and mayans destroyed their people and their culture by sacrificing them... why cant you just accept my beliefs if im willing to accept yours. is it that frickin hard for you to do? and if it is, im sorry - but that just goes to show that im not the weak one...</p>
<p>I haven't read the posts, but I have three things to say:
1) Everyone is going to hell, The beliefs of everyone contradict eachother.
2)There is no such thing as not believing in nothing. Nothing is something and you believe everyone controls their own destiny.
3)Generally you can't change peoples minds on these matters as they have been instilled since birth.</p>
<p>Amen......</p>
<p>Justinian, that white society comment was SARCASM. I'm not sure if you got it or not.</p>
<p>And willmingtonwave, yes, there IS such a thing as not believing in nothing (double negative). Although, there is no such thing as not believing in anything. Although, the point of this thread is belief in a supreme higher being, not whether or not it's right for us to believe the sky is blue.</p>
<p>And I agree with statements 1 and 3 because I believe that hell is life on earth (the only life) and people get really comfortable in their molds, respectively. To break out of it, the horror!</p>
<p>2)There is no such thing as not believing in nothing. Nothing is something and you believe everyone controls their own destiny.</p>
<p>.... huh? :confused:</p>
<p>i think everyone believes in something. If u don't believe in trust, loyalty, friendship i think u have major issues regardless of religion.</p>