<p>In response to all of your facts? What facts? The problem is not that there are no facts. The problem is that it would seem religious people have no problem changing their religion with new evidence. Why don't you respond to the flat earth issue or was that a time god just messed up?</p>
<p>What are you on about sydney? I never said I have any hard evidence. That's the point.</p>
<p>Imagine this scenario:</p>
<p>A: The Flying Spaghetti Monster exists!
B: What's your proof?
A: This website says so!
B: Um...and direct evidence?
A: Well, if it doesn't exist, where does spaghetti come from?
B: Umm... Chef Boyardee factories?
A: Who made those?
B: Umm...people?
A: That's absurd! People aren't made of steel!
B: Wait, so what's your proof that the damn thing exists?
A: This website.
B: Nevermind. You're a loon. </p>
<p>This is the past 67 pages or so.</p>
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Theists argued for a flat-earth, and science has since proven them flat wrong. Theists argued that the earth was 6000 years old, and that's been proven flat wrong.</p>
<p>You're the one arguing for us to believe in something that lacks any hard evidence. The burden of proof is on you.
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<p>Why dont you replace the word "Theist" with "Catholic Christians?"</p>
<p>I agree, thank you UCLAri. (by the way I was agreeing with UCLAri)</p>
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Why dont you replace the word "Theist" with "Catholic Christians?"
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<p>Okay, then let's just fast-forward today, and how theists have their panties in a wad over evolution and modern cosmology. Same damn difference.</p>
<p>JamesN, What about the fact that everytime some christians disliked something about christianity they just made a new religion and changed it? I don't really see how this points to a god? You'd think that with something so uniform people could at least agree wouldnt you? I mean, afterall god shouldnt change his rules just because people disagree? (If you say "but those were just the christians' That's why all the other sects exist.) Religion is just one big cult.</p>
<p>Not all theists are they same. You are making assumptions, again.</p>
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Not all theists are they same. You are making assumptions, again.
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<p>I never said "all," did I? And don't start on assumptions, you've already established yourself as their regent in the past two pages.</p>
<p>You still have yet to defend your blatant logical fallacies.</p>
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JamesN, What about the fact that everytime some christians disliked something about christianity they just made a new religion and changed it? I don't really see how this points to a god? You'd think that with something so uniform people could at least agree wouldnt you? I mean, afterall god shouldnt change his rules just because people disagree? (If you say "but those were just the christians' That's why all the other sects exist.) Religion is just one big cult.
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<p>Its true that religions can divide, but they ALL agree that God existed. There are usually sects over political reasons or disagreements in customs.</p>
<p>Really? I could have sworn the Jews didn't believe that Jesus was God's son. That sounds like more than a political disagreement. What about Quakers? They don't even believe in one god. They believe that everyone has a piece of god in them. Again, this sounds like a lot more than political differences.</p>
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I never said "all," did I? And don't start on assumptions, you've already established yourself as their regent in the past two pages.</p>
<p>You still have yet to defend your blatant logical fallacies.
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<p>When you say "Theist" instead of a particular religion, then I have every right to assume that you are talking about theists in general.</p>
<p>Like I said, faith cannot be "proven." Since you're so much into evidence, I challenge YOU to prove that God doesnt exist. I dont expect you to succeed because you're only human.</p>
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Since you're so much into evidence, I challenge YOU to prove that God doesnt exist.
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<p>You don't get it, do you? The burden of proof is ON YOU because YOU'VE made the claim for existence. You're setting up a straw man, another logical fallacy. Keep 'em comin', I love listin' them.</p>
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Really? I could have sworn the Jews didn't believe that Jesus was God's son. That sounds like more than a political disagreement. What about Quakers? They don't even believe in one god. They believe that everyone has a piece of god in them. Again, this sounds like a lot more than political differences.
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<p>Then I should add doctrinal differences as well. In any way, they still believe in God. People know a higher being exists regardless of the religion.</p>
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People know a higher being exists regardless of the religion.
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<p>ASSumption of the worst sort.</p>
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You don't get it, do you? The burden of proof is ON YOU because YOU'VE made the claim for existence. You're setting up a straw man, another logical fallacy. Keep 'em comin', I love listin' them.
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<p>FAITH CANNOT BE PROVEN! Is there a need for redundancy? You specifically claimed that God <em>Does NOT</em> exist, and so its your burden to prove theists wrong. Just admit if: you cant prove anything.</p>
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You specifically claimed that God <em>Does NOT</em> exist
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<p>I never said that God doesn't exist. I merely said that there has yet to be concrete evidence for God's existence. There's a difference. </p>
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Just admit if: you cant prove anything.
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<p>I have nothing to admit, because I haven't made any claims. You're the one making a claim.</p>
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<p>People, as in <em>theists.</em></p>
<p>How is it our burden? Theists propose the theory "God exists." We say, no. It is still your burden. The beauty of religion is that the church (all kinds) have hit upon something so stupid its brilliant. Every disproof just gets an adaptation of their arguments. If you're willing to have no standards, and no problem changing your religion so that it still works fine. I think you'd find religion disprove in numerous ways if you looked at its state 2000 years ago. The universe rotates about the earth anyone?</p>
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I never said that God doesn't exist. I merely said that there has yet to be concrete evidence for God's existence. There's a difference.
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<p>If you are inquiring for evidence over God's existance, then you indeed do not believe in God. Also, I have read some where in the forum that you are atheist.</p>
<p>Even if that's the case, why is it my burden to disprove something that's never been proven to begin with? You made the claim that God exists, the ball's in your court.</p>
<p>Now play ball.</p>