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If you are inquiring for evidence over God's existance, then you indeed do not believe in God.
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<p>Logical f'in fallacy. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc, if I'm not mistaken. Just because one question's God's existence doesn't make one an atheist.</p>
<p>Science has proven many things wrong. Popular beliefs can be proven wrong. So, yes, you can disprove, though I doubt you will be successful.</p>
<p>Science can disprove only when things have concrete evidence to the contrary. God, in theory, exists outside of the space-time continuum as we know it.</p>
<p>However, it's laziness on your part to merely shift the burden of evidence onto us. It suggests to me that you're afraid to admit that you have none.</p>
<p>Can you give us ONE piece of evidence?</p>
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However, it's laziness on your part to merely shift the burden of evidence onto us. It suggests to me that you're afraid to admit that you have none.
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<p>Once again, a faith cannot be proven.</p>
<p>So you're basically admitting to having faith in a complete spectre?</p>
<p>No, I know God exists. Its something atheists may be relectant to comprehend.</p>
<p>Well then that really is pathetic. Talk about worshiping the gods of your fathers. Just because your parents told you to believe in god doesn't mean you should blindly. Do you never question anything?</p>
<p>I do agree that Christians have manipulated thier religion and created way too many sects to keep track off, but the subject is do you believe in God, not in structured religion. And what more concrete proof do you need? Just look around at the room you're sitting in, yes science created all of these things, but what created that? there has to be something else. don't even worry about structured religion, just think about there being some thing else, and don't be like "O i need something to come out and show me that God exists" or "Or I need God to give me a sign that he exists", because if that ever happens, you guys will go back to the argument about science and everything.</p>
<p>And arguing this much more is kinda pointless, because no one here is ever going to change thier opinions.</p>
<p>I'd like to make the point that it is impossible to prove that god does not exist, just as it's impossible to prove that he does exist, and if you subscribe to that, you're agnostic. Everyone quit shifting the burden to the other side, neither of you have incontrovertible proof.</p>
<p>Schoens,
Funny how Adolph Hitler was a staunch atheist and wanted to destroy the Jews for political and racial purposes. Perhaps you need to reread my post. I don't believe that Hitler was influenced by the Bible to eradicate the Jews. He believed the Jew to be an inferior species
And yes! I found that previous to be quite offensive for reasons of my faith. Christianity had NOTHING to do with the holocaust.</p>
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Xe<em>Ln</em>Ag_A,
How can you say that the holocaust was caused by exploitation of a religion. Quite frankly, I find that statement offensive. Adolph Hitler preached that the Jews should be eradicated because they were quite wealthy and owned a majority of the businesses is Germany. Also, Hitler believed that the Jews were the main reason for the Treaty of Versailles which was unfair to the Germans. Once again, religion is the scapecoat of all evil and wrongdoing in society. I am very sorry sir, however you are quite wrong with that blatant assumption!
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<p>Justinian I, did you NOT read my post? I did not say it was the scapegoat of ALL evil by any means. Please read the whole post before jumping to conclusions.</p>
<p>Xe<em>Ln</em>Ag_A, I am terribly sorry. I must have misread post. Again, I truly apologize!</p>
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What are you on about sydney? I never said I have any hard evidence. That's the point.
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<p>Read your own words:</p>
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You're the one arguing for us to believe in something that lacks any hard evidence. The burden of proof is on you.
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<p>You shouldn't tell me that I'm asking you to believe in something that lacks any hard evidence wheny you don't have any evidence yourself. Since you're so convinced in your ways, I'd just like to see one example of evidence that God does not exist.</p>
<p>If you had such great evidence, you'd make an effort to show me it rather than moaning about how the burden of proof isn't on you.</p>
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I do agree that Christians have manipulated thier religion and created way too many sects to keep track off, but the subject is do you believe in God, not in structured religion. And what more concrete proof do you need? Just look around at the room you're sitting in, yes science created all of these things, but what created that? there has to be something else. don't even worry about structured religion, just think about there being some thing else, and don't be like "O i need something to come out and show me that God exists" or "Or I need God to give me a sign that he exists", because if that ever happens, you guys will go back to the argument about science and everything.
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<p>There is a difference between not jumping to conclusions and pretending that you have the answer.</p>
<p>The latter is what Christians have done, not the agnostics / atheists.</p>
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Science can disprove only when things have concrete evidence to the contrary. God, in theory, exists outside of the space-time continuum as we know it.</p>
<p>However, it's laziness on your part to merely shift the burden of evidence onto us. It suggests to me that you're afraid to admit that you have none.
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<p>God exists outside the space-time continuum? Sounds like a bunch of pseudo-science to me.</p>
<p>And yes, the burden of proof really is on you. It is perfectly logical of me to not believe someone when they tell me there is an all-powerful, all-knowing creator without giving me any evidence to do so. If I told you that the world was created by a big piece of cheese, is the burden of proof upon you to disprove me when I have not given any subsequent evidence?</p>
<p>"The latter is what Christians have done, not the agnostics / atheists."</p>
<p>I'm not speaking for Christianity, I'm just somewhat surprised that none of you guys have ever wondered that there may be something behind it all that started everything.</p>
<p>the burden is on both of you, athiests make the claim that there is without a doubt no god, and they need proof to claim as such, because they're asserting that it does NOT exist. Thiests have the same burden, because they're asserting that it DOES exist. </p>
<p>Both sides have an equal burden of proof, the only side without a burden is agnostic</p>
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Both sides have an equal burden of proof, the only side without a burden is agnostic
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<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>See how the discussion has shifted towards who has the burden of proof? That's a logical fallacy, is it not? Red herring ring any bells? Why don't the atheists just provide a few examples of their proof, rather than arguing about a technicality? Doesn't seem too difficult to me. </p>
<p>Nit-picking will get you nowhere.</p>
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Funny how Adolph Hitler was a staunch atheist and wanted to destroy the Jews for political and racial purposes. Perhaps you need to reread my post. I don't believe that Hitler was influenced by the Bible to eradicate the Jews. He believed the Jew to be an inferior species
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Christianity's dealings with the cultures they deemed inferior led to the brutal imposition of their moral standards on those cultures (and the systematic rape of those cultural ideals). Tell me , Justinian, how this was different from what the Nazis imposed upon the Jews</p>
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Why don't the atheists just provide a few examples of their proof, rather than arguing about a technicality?
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I believe in flying green cows that circumnavigate the globe so fast that they cannot be seen. I call upon the theists to prove me wrong. </p>
<p>This sort of logic is what the Theists are employing. THe burden to prove this initial statement is on me since my assertion has yet to be established. Like flying green cows, the idea of god must first be proven by the theists. It is your responsibility to establish it, not ours to disestablish it. If you think it is our burden, then prove to me that "god" does not spend sunday afternoons chilling in hell with the devil (sipping on martinis).</p>