<p>Adolf Hitler was a staunch Christian (Catholic). Get your facts right. O ya, I also believe in flying green cows :)</p>
<p>James N:
"Why dont you replace the word "Theist" with "Catholic Christians?""
Get your facts straight! The Catholic Church agrees with modern evolutionary theory and that the Earth is round.</p>
<p>W1cked:
"Adolf Hitler was a staunch Christian (Catholic). Get your facts right. O ya, I also believe in flying green cows "</p>
<p>Where do you get this information? If Hitler was so Catholic then why did he order the executions of thousands of Polish Catholic priests. Pope John Paul II had to enter the seminary while hiding because Hitler prohibited any more people joining the Catholic Church.</p>
<p>Hitler an atheist? HAHA. Quotes from Hitler: "I am absolutely convinced of the great power and the deep significance of the Christian religion"
And and from Mein Kampf: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord"</p>
<p>Are Buddhists not an example of theists? Well, their religion, to my knowledge, mentions nothing of a God of any sort.</p>
<p>Pianoman: I have never argued that Hitler was not A Christian. I simply argued that he was not a Catholic otherwise he would not have called for the slayings of Catholic priests. In addition, we have to keep in mind that there were both good Catholics who opposed Hitler and there were bad Catholics who supported Hitler. Either way, Hitler was not Catholic. That claim has never been proven.</p>
<p>Pianoman: You still have not answered my question.
"If Hitler was so Catholic then why did he order the executions of thousands of Polish Catholic priests. Pope John Paul II had to enter the seminary while hiding because Hitler prohibited any more people joining the Catholic Church."</p>
<p>Hitler definitely wouldn't be catholic, because correct me if I'm wrong but Catholics believe in the superiority of the pope above all other earthly leaders...I don't see hitler as the type to want to share power, and I'm guessing this as part of the reason he ordered the execution of the priests.</p>
<p>He may have held christian, or even catholic viewpoints, I don't know, but I don't think you could call him a catholic.</p>
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It is your responsibility to establish it, not ours to disestablish it.
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<p>Let me rephrase that for you:</p>
<p>You believe that people evolved from nothingness. It's your responsiblity to establish it, not mine to disestablish it.</p>
<p>It all depends what side of the fence you're looking out from. I'm going to say it's your burden to prove God doesn't exist, you're going to say it's mine to prove He does.</p>
<p>I wonder, if you actually had some sort of proof to offer, would we be sitting here debating a red herring?</p>
<p>everkingly: Not once did I state that Hitler was a Catholic. The Nazi regime, on the contrary, believed in a sort of "positive Christianity" that would lead away from the concepts of original sin and confession, in opposition to the Catholicism they thought had been "poisoned by the Jews". A good book to read more about this is Holy Reich, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521823714/ref=ase_freethinkers/103-5170879-5361417?s=books&v=glance&n=283155&tagActionCode=freethinkers%5B/url%5D">http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521823714/ref=ase_freethinkers/103-5170879-5361417?s=books&v=glance&n=283155&tagActionCode=freethinkers</a></p>
<p>I still do not understand how it is the atheist's responsibility to prove "nothingness". Take belief in dragons, for example. You really think a person who knows there have never been fire-breathing dragons has the burden of proof to explain that they have never existed?</p>
<p>I could really care less what religion Hitler was, but maybe this'll solve the debate over it:</p>
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Adolf's Roman Catholic upbringing was typical for the region. He served as an altar boy and sang in the choir but was not a practicing Catholic as an adult, though in public discourses he continued to frequently claim he was a Christian.[1]</p>
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<li>^ "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." Adolf Hitler; from John Toland, Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography, New York: Anchor Publishing, 1992, p. 507 (URL accessed January 16, 2006). "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter." by Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Munich, April 12, 1922; from Norman H. Baynes, The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1, New York: Oxford University Press, 1942, pp. 19-20 (URL accessed January 16, 2006).
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<p>I don't care who's burden of proof it is, I'm just curious to see what your proof is.</p>
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Let me rephrase that for you:</p>
<p>You believe that people evolved from nothingness. It's your responsiblity to establish it, not mine to disestablish it.
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You make this statement on the false assumption that there was a time at which nothing existed. You cannot assert this. Check your premises.</p>
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I'm going to say it's your burden to prove God doesn't exist, you're going to say it's mine to prove He does.
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No because YOU are the one establishing the theory. I am the one refuting it. It is not your burden to refute the idea of green flying cows, it is the burden of those who make the idea to establish it.</p>
<p>Burden of proof is always on the affirmative - NOT the negative.</p>
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I don't care who's burden of proof it is, I'm just curious to see what your proof is.
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This is like a judge telling an alleged criminal, "screw the fifth...i just want to see what evidence the defense has against itself." We are in a debate. In a debate, each side has certain burdens which they must fulfill, sans help from their opposition.</p>
<p>Trancestorm,
I apologized to the said poster because I misread his/her post. I understand that the Nazis imposed themselves upon the Jews. I again apologize for the misunderstanding as I misread the post.
Trancestorm,
I vehemently disagree with you about morals and cultures. I believe in the fact that one must draw a line between these to ideas. If a tribe believed that murder was justifed and true, why would not people from other countries try to impose their culture upon the people and teach that murder is not permissible? The Aztecs would throw young babies off the temple roof top. They would mercilessly slaughter thousands of people at one sacrificial offering. Any civilized person would realize that these practices were wrong. Definately, I would try to teach these people that this is amoral if I were a missionary years ago. We should not impose on others cultures, true; however we must try to differentiate which is moral and not moral.
Have you ever heard of sutee, the practice of a widow throwing herself on her burning husband. The British banned this practice in India because they knew that this was not MORAL.
You must love to delve in the philosophy of dialectic thinking. Anything is permissible one tries to justify it.</p>
<p>By the way, those quotes which you posted were from his earlier years. Later on his life, Hitler renounced his faith and condemned God. And I believe Harry Potter is a fool and an idiot! :)</p>
<p>quit *<strong><em>ing shifting the burden of proof, the burden is on anyone making any sort of claim at all, for you to claim that there is without a doubt NOT a god (an athiest) you need to prove that just as much as if someone says there IS a god, if all you require is proof one way or another you're an agnostic, so quit shifting the *</em></strong>ing burden and either admit you're agnostic or provide PROOF that there isn't a god.</p>
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however we must try to differentiate which is moral and not moral.
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Since you have the power to differentiate, tell me what defines morality. Who decides what is moral? THe problem with christians is that they cannot recognize differing moral standards. What makes a practice inherently wrong? To say what they do is immoral, you assume your own standard is more accurate which is a violation of what Immanuel Kant would call a Hypothetical Imperative. Their practices did not influence the christians, and they were perfectly happy partaking in them. Who the hell are the christians to tell them that they are wrong. Using this same logic, I am inclined to kill all theists because they are leading their lives in ignorance. I do not do so because it is a violation of your imperatives, your beliefs do not impact my autonomy and you are happy believing what you believe. It is only when Christians start imposing that the nasty side of me comes out. Christians lack the concept of "live and let live." This will continue until some radical atheist comes along and starts killing off all the christians. Then you will see christians around the world say, "Can't our beliefs just coexist?" In the same way Rodney king said, "Can't we all just get along?" </p>
<p>Inconsistency. I hate it.</p>