How many people who claim to get in just make it up?

<p>I'll post here a FAQ I wrote for the first computer network I ever posted on, when a more experienced participant alerted me to a man who claimed to have twin sons (who occasionally posted under their own screen names) who had just been admitted to Harvard. She pointed out to me that it was much more likely that the man made up the sons completely, and used their screen names to post his more juvenile-sounding comments. I was astounded by her skeptical suggestion, but I am sure now that she was correct. I'm definitely sure there has never been a pair of twins at Harvard with the other claimed biographical elements of those "twins." </p>

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[quote=tokenadult, on a different network back in the 1990s]
I met a schoolmate in October 1971 who gave me a new perspective on the human mind, on education, and on political news. I had just moved from [home town] to [place of residence during 9th and 10th grade]. I attended [name of junior high in name of school district]. The bus ride from my subdivision in [new place of residence to junior high] was long, so I wanted to have someone to sit and talk to on the bus. </p>

<p>I was the new kid in town. I didn't know who was fun to hang out with, and no one knew me. One boy, an eighth grader when I was in ninth grade, sought me out. He'd sit next to me on the bus (he lived about five houses away) and talk to me eagerly. He told me stories about his dad's business interests. He surprised me when he informed me that his dad had a personal helicopter that he would fly from his home to go on business trips. He told me more in the next few weeks. One afternoon on the way home he told me how he had saved a dog that fell into a well. The Humane Society gave him a special award, and the local newspaper published his picture, he said. </p>

<p>Suddenly I said to myself, "Wait a second, this is a lie!" I usually take people at their word. My parents were honest with me about money, about the facts of life, and about themselves. I believe all things and hope all things, but finally my schoolmate became just plain unbelievable. (It probably helped that I hadn't heard a helicopter flying in our neighborhood those few weeks ;) .) By then I'd often noticed how much all my other schoolmates rolled their eyes when I was near him. </p>

<p>The liar had a younger brother about my brother's age. The younger brother was in our Scout troop. Sometimes I saw other boys in the troop mention the older brother to the younger brother. The younger brother always looked very pained when that happened. </p>

<p>I quit hanging around with the older brother. By then I'd made other friends anyhow. I don't mind being the friend of the odd man out, but I detest being lied to. I went on to tenth grade at [new place's senior high], lost touch with him, then moved back to MN. </p>

<p>The July-August 1992 Health magazine has a fascinating cover story, "I Was a Kidnapped Starlet: True Confessions of a Pathological Liar." The author reviews the medical literature and reports on interviews with people who were disappointed by believing pathological liars. He also reports on extensive interviews with a particular liar whom he gives the pseudonym "Jacqueline." He relates his efforts to track down which parts of her life story were true and which were false. He could never be sure when she was lying to HIM during the interviews. There is also an interesting sidebar on how poorly most people do in detecting lies. Even police officers and psychologists do no better than random guessing. </p>

<p>The most disturbing thing to me about my old schoolmate, and about an incident reported on page 40 of the Health magazine story, is that these pathological liars were not helped by school. Indeed, my schoolmate was an "above-average" (as to letter grades) student, and "Jacqueline" was fondly remembered by one of her college instructors, who remembered Jacqueline's made-up struggles with leukemia and Hodgkins disease. </p>

<p>Liars seek the approval they fear they can't get by being truthful. It's sad, but they don't succeed in keeping it.

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<p>Thus far my FAQ from more than a decade ago, with some omissions of my personal information, since this is, after all, College CONFIDENTIAL. Don't believe everything you read. :) Congratulations to all the newly admitted students from high school class of 2008.</p>

<p>Again, amazing!!! I think this will be party conversation over the next couple weeks as I look for things to talk about as we go grad party to grad party...
Oh I just got an idea for a new thread from this. Thanks!</p>

<p>There are scholarships at schools that only give need based money. Many of these schools, including Harvard, have scholarships galore. It's just that only those who have merit within need get those awards. In schools that cannot give everyone grants, this can be very important since getting those scholarships means that the student is getting fewer loans and more grant money.</p>

<p>Meant to also add, that in those schools that have continued to give merit scholarships, it is not necessarily the "best" students who get those awards. The money often goes in a way to get the best mix of students.</p>

<p>Harvard</a> College Financial Aid Office - Fact Sheet </p>

<p>More links from the main page: </p>

<p>Harvard</a> College Financial Aid Office</p>

<p>Exactly why I don't look in Chances and Acceptance threads :) I generally cross-check in Graduate school and College Life forms when people try to give advice that definitely did not sound like it was from experience- just caught two or three incoming freshmen giving naive advice to another incoming freshman... needless to say, more experienced students followed my post.</p>

<p>I like how some colleges say that they don't give merit-based aid, but in reality, they do, it's just covert.</p>

<p>As cpofthehouse mentions, they'll give people scholarships that work within the confines of aid. I received a scholarship from the engineering school granting me $600 for books if I did not qualify for financial aid and if I did, it would reduce my loan component. Today, I received my aid package only to see that the scholarship amounted to $11,000 a year and I received no loans. </p>

<p>The merit-based (but not officially) scholarships they offer are far more generous within the context of need.</p>

<p>A good friend of mine is on the scholarship committee of our local HS. She read an application that looked promising until she came to the part that contained information about his extracurricular activities. He claimed to be the student coordinator in charge of the largest school fundraiser... the one that my friend actually, in fact, ran. Oops.</p>

<p>What college, khrushchevtm?</p>

<p>I'm not khrushchevtm, but did notice this:</p>

<p>Location: Texas -> Cornell</p>

<p>of course, she may be making it up ;).</p>

<p>That's right. Total fallacy.
:)
But yes, I'm going to Cornell.</p>

<p>Finaid website:

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Does Cornell offer merit aid?</p>

<p>Cornell University offers financial aid solely on the basis of demonstrated financial need. We do not offer merit awards based on academic, athletic, musical or other talent.

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<p>First paragraph of the scholarship says:

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This award, the most prestigious available from the college of Engineering recognizes your outstanding achievements inside and outside of the classroom, and indicates our confidence that you have an exceptionally bright future at Cornell

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<p>Not saying I'm not grateful, but it is a little misleading.</p>

<p>Edit: It does go on to clearly say that it is awarded within the context of the financial aid program, but as stated earlier, it does award $600 dollars for books even without finaid. Mhm.</p>

<p>Thanks for quoting the website and the letter.</p>

<p>khrushchevtm, that is what some of us call "preferential need-based packaging". It takes many forms.</p>

<p>I remember a kid reported he went 8-for-8 (All Ivy's) plus Stanford,Duke and maybe Rice. He wrote brilliantly and sensitively. But his score weren't perfect and his one and only extracurr was photography and he seemed to have a passion in it. When I asked how many awards he got for his photography, there were none. Hmm...you can't devote that much time to an activity and not get recognized. If he's 8-of-8 kind of super genius why others saw nothing of it in his one and only passion ?</p>