<p>I've heard that Wharton stresses leadership in its applicants, but how much leadership do i need to show to meet that requirement, These are my leadership roles so far.</p>
<p>Currently a junior</p>
<p>Debate Club Captain (11 and 12)
Scholastic Bowl (Co-Captain 12)
Frisbee Club ( Vice President 11, maybe 12)
Founded a local T-shirt company, this is an ongoing process we are still a very tiny company (11 and 12)</p>
<p>Sadly, or not that is really all i have in the leadership capacity, but i think thats more because i don't do clubs that i don't like, debate is my main thing, then scholastic bowl, and i have achieved leadership in both of those activities. So is that reasonable or do I need to hurry up and do some leading.... haha.</p>
<p>Here is some other info:
GPA: 4.73 by end of senior year (11-12 AP's)
Rank 3/596
SAT: 2270 (770 CR, 700 M, 800 W) I might take it again.</p>
<p>Your stats look pretty good though it is unfortunate that math is your lowest score in the SATs, if you could retake it and raise it by at least 30 points then you would have a pretty good chance assuming great SAT IIs</p>
<p>yeah i know the SAT math score leaves something to be desired, but what about the leadership roles, are those satisfactory or lacking.</p>
<p>Your leadership is perfectly fine. There’s only so many things one person can lead and actually be seriously involved in it. If you take all those activities seriously and have been pretty involved in them, then it is fine. For instance, if someone asked you about how you lead/what you’ve done in this particular activity, and you can give a pretty good explanation along with how it has impacted you in some way, then it is “good enough”.</p>
<p>M 700 is not great, but it is definitely a good enough score. Raising it up 20-30 points doesn’t really matter much… Your 700 basically means you’re already within the lower 700s range. (You already have a 2270 total too.) You should concern yourself with other aspects of your overall application rather than a couple ten points on the SAT. But if you really feel you can significantly improve on the math next time around, then by all means go for it.</p>
<p>And usually if you take the SATII Math 2 test and get a high score on it, then it sort of negates your low score on the SATI Math. Subject test Math 2 is usually easier and more straightforward than the SATI Math section.</p>
<p>thanks for the critique cuteaccountant, that was assuring.</p>
<p>Others too have told me that the extra 20-30 points won’t make a difference so i am on the fence about retaking. I definitely will try to get a good SAT II Math II score, and i think the fact that i will be in Multivariable/differential calculus will show that i have ability in Math.</p>
<p>I think if you take Math II and get 780-800, then you don’t need to retake the SAT just for the math. Your 700 is still pretty good, and your other two scores are great. (we are very similar–740 CR, 700 M, 800 W) Maybe I’m biased because I’m not great at math so I think 700 is decent. You could also try the ACT and shoot for 34-36 on math. That should be good enough. (or does Penn not take the ACT???)</p>
<p>yeah i am right now planning on taking the SAT again in October, because i have the SAT II’s in june as well as the ACT.</p>
<p>SATs are fine. With SATs, your average is well beyond the 750/section that places you in the upper quintile of the typical Ivy-level rating scale from 1-to-5. Translation: You gain very little by raising your score even 50 or 100 points, as your overall academic data already shows you as an academic “5” on a 5-point scale.</p>
<p>It’s the other half, the non-academic rating where you still have some room to grow, that will make or break your application. You will need to show leadership or initiative that goes beyond the high school-level. Starting a business is a step in the right direction. Focus your efforts here, rather than taking the SAT over.</p>
<p>who the hell is telling you to take you SAT again? Your score is fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnne</p>
<p>i would srsly recommend boosting ur SAT math though just coz ur a wharton applicant. and look at it this way if u boost math up then u crack 2300 easily!</p>
<p>I would say you have a good chance. Your leadership roles are fine. I also agree with akkipenn about the SAT score, however, it should not be your main priority</p>
<p>As a Wharton applicant, a 700 is by no means an outstanding score (it might actually be on the low side), but I’m not going to bother trying to convince you to retake.</p>
<p>Instead, I’m here to tell you to dismiss the notion of “good enough” or “necessary” when it comes to any component of college admissions. Even the most quantitative, rigid parts of your application are interpreted qualitatively, so there’s no set formula through which you can decide if your leadership is ‘sufficient’. You might have an awesome stats profile as far as people on CC are concerned but schools that are as selective as Wharton can reject you for something as simple as a conceited or arrogant tone in your essay (and I’ve seen this happen) so instead of trying to categorize components of your application into ‘good enough’ and ‘needs work’, invest considerable amounts of effort into each area of your high school life and if experience is any indicator, you’ll still know nuts about whether you’ll get into Wharton. That said, however, all other things being equal, your stats look decent to good-ish for Wharton. Good luck.</p>
<p>isn’t a combine 1470 good enough though? I mean fitting into their average for wharton. Does anyone know the average SAT for wharton?</p>
<p>thanks for the feedback, am i correct in believing that UPenn superscores the SAT, that would be a relief, just in case my other two section scores drop next time I take it.</p>
<p>Have you started your own business? Is it successful?
If you answered no to either, then you dont have the necessary skills. Sorry.</p>
<p>On a more serious note…you dont really need much other than positions in your school clubs. You have to show that you can take the initiative, thats all.</p>
<p>Your ECs look fine but I would recommend doing something more involved (putting on a big event, etc). Most of positions you listed can be interpreted as administrative so make sure to emphasize your initiative :D. As for the SATs, no one seriously looks at the Math I scores. Just get a good score on Math II and write good essays. Strive for excellence but remember there’s no cutoff, etc. There isn’t such a thing as not good enough or good enough. Its simply if they want you or not. Make them believe in your potential, the sdevs above mean calculations come when you actually get accepted, not for applications.</p>