<p>My ranking is inversely proportionate to how they ranked me a few decades ago.</p>
<p>I put Cornell and Penn at the top; Harvard, Yale and Princeton are tied for last. The others weren’t on my list then, and belong in the middle now.</p>
<p>hm… i’ve always thought of it as:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
UPenn/Columbia
Dartmouth/Brown
Cornell</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Columbia
Princeton
Penn
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell</p>
<p>To rank by prestige and academics:</p>
<p>(MIT Stanford)</p>
<p>Harvard, Columbia,</p>
<p>Penn</p>
<p>Cornell</p>
<p>Yale,Princeton</p>
<p>Dartmouth, Brown</p>
<p>Prestige/popularity:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Columbia
Brown
Penn
Dartmouth
Cornell</p>
<p>I’d rank them as:
Cornell
Brown
Columbia
Princeton
Harvard
UPenn
Dartmouth
Yale</p>
<p>Of course, I don’t really care for rankings.</p>
<p>What’s up with the thread resurrections?</p>
<ol>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
</ol>
<p>I always wonder why so many rank Penn above ivies that are considerably harder to get into-Columbia, dartmouth, brown. Why?</p>
<p>How it personally worked out for me (though 3, 6, and 7 weren’t exactly available to me as options):
- Princeton
- Harvard
- Yale
- Dartmouth
- Columbia
- Penn
- Brown
- Cornell</p>
<p>Prestige…Yeah, it’ll probably always be Harvard, Yale, Princeton, and the others, in that order. Seriously though, besides impressing Joe the plumber, having a degree from Dartmouth vs. having a degree from Harvard isn’t going to change anything.</p>
<p>
Nonsense. The others are “considerably harder to get into” than U Rochester or U Miami. They are not considerably more difficult to get into than Penn. Put another way, it is hardly surprising to find Penn rejects at Brown or Columbia, just as you would find Brown and Columbia rejects at Penn. Dartmouth had a 10% RD admit rate; Penn’s was 10.5%. Brown had a 7.5% RD rate, an insignificant difference when comparing actual student bodies. Admit rates are a truly terrible way to compare selectivity, of course, but the various factors (test scores, ranks, etc.) are all fairly similar among those schools.</p>
<p>As for the question itself, why not? I see no reason why selectivity need have much to do with quality. After all, it was only about 5 years ago that Chicago admitted nearly 50% of its applicants. I doubt many would consider it inferior to any of those schools despite that.</p>
<p>Penn has a depth and breadth of academic offerings that Brown and Dartmouth simply do not. Brown and Dartmouth have neither the size nor research standing to attract top-flight scholars across a very broad range of fields. One could certainly make the argument that those institutions may be better for an undergraduate education – I wouldn’t know, having attended none of them – but I can see why one can easily make a very good case for Penn.</p>
<p>Of course, one also has to face the realization that there really is no proper way to rank colleges. I prefer some over others, just as everyone else has his/her own preferences and values. They’re all good, so I doubt it really matters whether Cornell ends up 6th, 8th, or 1st in the Ivy League.</p>
<p>Penn engineers that RD rate by taking a larger percent of the class ED. The correct comparison is overall admit rate and Penn’s is considerably higher. There will always be those who get into a more selective school and rejected from less selective ones, but my question remains, why is it such a common perception that Penn is better than more selective ivies?</p>
<p>^ Why is it such a common perception that the very slightly more selective school is the better school?</p>
<p>If I have to rank Ivy schools based on undergrad prestige, my ranking would go this way:</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
UPenn
Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown
Cornell</p>
<p>Undergraduate only by prestige in the eyes of people who matter (another word, excluding your aunt who works at the local branch of Bank of America, your uncle who’s the accountant for the local United Way, etc.):</p>
<p>Harvard
-big gap-
Yale
-small gap-
Princeton
-gap-
Dartmouth
-small gap-
Columbia
Penn
-small gap-
Brown
-gap-
Cornell (in general)</p>
<p>“I always wonder why so many rank Penn above ivies that are considerably harder to get into-Columbia, dartmouth, brown. Why?”
That’s because there are a lot of Penn kids on this board, which makes sense considering it’s size is over two times the size of at least one other Ivies. Cornell has a huge following here as well.</p>
<p>USN&WR undergrad academic reputation
HYP
Columbia
Cornell
Penn
Brown, Dartmouth</p>
<p>Isn’t dartmouth #1 for undergrad teaching?</p>
<p>USN&WR had separate rankings for undergrad academic reputation and teaching.</p>
<p>This whole thread is absolutely, positively stupid. Why it has 200+ posts is beyond me.</p>
<p>1) Penn- Best Business, Medical, Dental, and Anthropology Humanities, Best city, Quaker connection.
2) U Chicago (not Ivy, best bang for the buck)
3) It’s Harvard
4) Dartmouth -cold, non-swaying, avoids ******** trends
3) Yale-
5)Brown- if its your thing, its your think
6) Columbia- eh, used to be good.
7) Cornell- come on, its half state school.</p>
<p>I didn’t know Penn State was an Ivy.</p>
<p>Just kidding. Penn kids get that all the time.</p>