<p>
BIG gap between H and Y? According to the people that MATTER? No.</p>
<p>I think most people overrate Penn bcos of Wharton. Also if you use academic reputation it would basically give you strength of grad school rep. In terms of undergraduate strength:</p>
<p>HYP
Dartmouth, Columbia
Brown, UPenn
Cornell</p>
<p>HYP
Columbia and Penn
Brown and Dart and Cornell</p>
<p>We should realize that we are considering OVERAL ranking, so we should take into account not only the liberal arts part, but also science, engineering and graduate schools.
Columbia
Harvard
Princeton+Upenn
Cornell
Yale
Dartmouth
Brown</p>
<p>The reason I put Columbia>Harvard is: if consider liberal arts, Columbia college is the second most selective liberal arts ivy, only behind harvard. BUT Columbia has much better engineering program than Harvard. Columbia’s engineering is also the second most selective engineering school, slightly behind MIT.</p>
<p>You may say princeton also has good engineering program, but princeton does not have a strong graduate schools like Harvard and Columbia. Cornell has good engineering, but its other departments may not be as prestgious as H Y P Col, but still good, that’s why it should go higher than those ‘pure LAC’ like Yale, Dart, Brown.</p>
<p>Not sure why grad school matter to this ranking. And if that’s the case there’s no way you could come close to arguing Columbia is above Harvard. Harvard is #1 or #2 in every professional school (business, law, medicine) and many many more PhD track graduate schools. Also Columbia is not the second most selective liberal arts Ivy, Yale and Princeton are both more selective (scores alone are higher) and it could be argued that Dartmouth, Penn, and Brown are on par.</p>
<p>Splipper1234, you are right that Harvard ranks higher in Business, law or some other graduate school, but Columbia also ranked higher than harvard in graduate studies in architecture, finanical engineering… But you are right, we should not consider graduate school in our ranking. But my previous post is still valid if we omit the graduate schools.</p>
<p>of course, even if columbia has a higher rank architecture than harvard, the top students would still prefer to go to Harvard. as for MFE, Harvard does not offer MFE.</p>
<p>I don’t know what you guys are talking about. The rankings have pretty much always been:</p>
<p>1) Harvard
2) Princeton
3) Yale</p>
<p>Harvard and Princeton tend to screw around sometimes but Harvard almost consistently winds up on top. Yale, on the other hand, since I’ve been been paying attention, (that is, when my brother attended college 8 years ago) has been in third place. The others jump around. Last year, it was:</p>
<p>4) MIT
5) Stanford
6) Columbia
7) U-Penn.
8) Dartmouth
9) Brown
10) Cornell.
*Non-Ivys separated the ivy schools from one another, so the order was not so linear. </p>
<p>This year, it’s:
4) Columbia
5) U-Penn
6) MIT
7) Dartmouth
8) Brown
9) Cornell</p>
<p>If you’re more interested in opinions, then I’d say:
Harvard > Princeton > Columbia > U-Penn > MIT > Yale > Dartmouth > Brown > Cornell. </p>
<p>I’ve never been one for Yale, my brother went to Columbia. It’s hard to deny Harvard its long-time position in first place, and it’s hard to imagine Princeton off its ass.
So, there you go.</p>
<p>HYP always at top, then Columbia then Brown then Penn, dartmouth, Cornell. Based on difficulty to get into . Also Columbia is in NYC which ads a lot of appeal and more access. Brown is known as the “cool” ivy because it accepts exceptional individuals not just exceptional performers. Penn and Cornell are huge and therefore not as hard to get into and not as well respected (excluing Wharton).</p>
<p>Ranking on overall college exp. I’d say brown, princeton, Yale, Penn, harvard, Columbia, harvard, Cornell</p>
<p>Ranking on overall college exp. I’d say brown, princeton, Dartmouth, Yale, Penn, harvard, Columbia, Cornell</p>
<p>Agree with you Kyler, Brown seems like a fun college exp. But also it is important to note that unlike other ivies brown’s main focus (aside fro plme) is undergrad so it is better than the few higher ranked universities ex: Columbia or harvard b/c it is focusing on the undergrads not having profs spend all time focusing on grad students and personal fame (cough cough harv.)</p>
<p>Brown has graduate students in the arts and sciences just like Harvard and Columbia. So does Princeton. 2000 of them, in fact. This myth of undergrad “focus” just won’t die.</p>
<p>Harvard, MIT
Stanford, Princeton
Yale, Caltech
Columbia, Penn, Duke, Chicago
Brown, Dartmouth
Cornell</p>
<p>^ Ha ha ha ha ha … on what basis???</p>
<p>On common sense basis. A conglomeration of academic prestige and public prestige.
I have no reason to analyze little bits of data. Because in the end, it doesn’t matter. The public will always see these schools and recognize them instantly. Perhaps I missed a few. Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, and yes, even your big ol’ Berkeley-boy. </p>
<p>Academics should be the same in all colleges. Little to none difference in student quality.</p>
<p>^^^^very true</p>
<p>Subjectively:</p>
<h1>1 Harvard</h1>
<h1>2 Princeton</h1>
<h1>3 Yale</h1>
<h1>4 Columbia</h1>
<h1>5 UPenn</h1>
<h1>6 Dartmouth</h1>
<h1>7 Brown</h1>
<h1>8 Cornell</h1>
<p>Objectively:</p>
<h1>1 Columbia</h1>
<h1>2 Tied Harvard/Yale/Princeton</h1>
<h1>3 UPenn</h1>
<h1>4 Dartmouth</h1>
<h1>5 Brown</h1>
<h1>6 Cornell</h1>
<p>Rationally:</p>
<p>Attending any of them will more than likely make you very successful in life. So the difference is almost nil.</p>
<p>Catlinjon is correct.</p>
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<p>Harvard
Penn
Columbia
Yale
Princeton
Brown
Cornell
Dartmouth</p>