<p>I know plebes were caught huffing compressed air cans, and they have executive board tomorrow. Do you think they are going to get disenrolled? or setback? They told me that they talked to CDR Mund and LTCDR Ragin, that they are not going to get kicked out or setback is that true?</p>
<p>My dear child, this is really not a topic for discussion in public. You should probably take stock of the concept of correct and incorrect posts.</p>
<p>tact my son, haven't they taught you the 14 leadership traits? cause a post like that one violates at least 3 of them...</p>
<p>tlswogh89. Sigh. You & I have talked privately before you'd ever gone to KP. We should probably do so again. Let me know when you have a second cause I'm here.</p>
<p>Inhalants kill. Sweeping it under the rug or not discussing it in public is not the answer.</p>
<p>Inhalant.org</a> , Inhalant Abuse, Inhalant Education</p>
<p>If there is a problem, address it and correct it, don't ignore it.</p>
<p>As for the MIDN involved, I would think that the use of inhalants at USMMA would be treated just like any other drug use, right?</p>
<p>Luigi we are not saying sweep it under the rug. We are saying that private matters need to stay private and tls specifically mentioned names. Yes it is a problem, as is drinking, illegal drugs and other things. If this were an open discussion about that then fine, but not the correct forum regarding disciplinary actions at a school.</p>
<p>He/She did not mention the names of those who are accused; he mnetioned names of, presumably, officers. Where is the problems with that?
If there is a drug [huffing] problem--which I find astounding--at USMMA, then, perhaps, it should be discussed.</p>
<p>TLS asked a question about whether the mids would be dis-enrolled or setback. Does anybody have an answer to this? He/She asked if this were true; does anybody know?</p>
<p>I would be amazed if any incident of this sort [excluding alcohol] has happened at the other Academies. That's not to say it hasn't but I would be amazed, nonetheless. It seems that inhalent abuse among these kids would not be expected.</p>
<p>What is going on at USMMA that a prediliction for "huffing" gets through the application cracks?</p>
<p>One's expectation of privacy is significantly diminished once you start accepting public money.</p>
<p>Whoa - don't shoot the messenger!</p>
<p>tlswogh89 - You are asking a good question that is not often asked on the forums. It's probably a good thing though since most parents don't know the answer anyway.</p>
<p>I think it is entirely plausible that the mids involved do not get separated. Hopefully, they get counseling so they can find out why they would do something so incredibly stupid.
Generally, my take on discipline at the academies is there is more leeway when dealing with a plebe than with the upperclass - I know, this is controverisal.
The fact is - mids and cadets are teens and young adults. They come from all backgrounds and cross sections of life. Sometimes they do really dumb things. </p>
<p>A few years ago there were some cadets at West Point who go the boot for dealing drugs - coke, I believe in their barracks. So, yes it happens. </p>
<p>We can go on living in a dream world, if you folks want to - pretending that mids and cadets are perfect - and they never do anything wrong. These ideas are not grounded in reality.</p>
<p>The cocaine bust that was never written up in the police report.
The ecstasy problems.
The previous administrations unwillingness to report issues to the Coast Guard.
The sexual abuse and alcohol problems...</p>
<p>the list goes on...oh wait a minute!! </p>
<p>KP is no different than any other college in America. Wished it was different.</p>
<p>sexual abuse huh? could you tell me more?</p>
<p>the huffing involves no actual mids... we're not that stupid.
they were all plebes. the outlook is not good.</p>
<p>OLIVERDRAB . . .thank you for FINALLY having the balls to mention this subject of sexual abuse at the Academy as well as the attempts to "sweep it under the rug" on this forum. Please read through the recent "Girls at KP" thread and look at all of the deflection and attempts to discredit me (a former 1 and a half year female M/N who experiencd this personally) from mids and former mids who are so adamant that this does not take place at KP. Also suspect is that NO opinion from ANY current or former female M/N on this subject.</p>
<p>And from your name I'm assuming this is a man's perspective, so would you please be so kind as to allow andersonnn (a prospective female candidate) to begin her appointment process with ALL of the information she will need to make an informed decision.</p>
<p>It is commendable that you brought this up while so many others just attempted to make the discussion go away by using somewhat rude tactics. Thank you, sir.</p>
<p>Notforme, Nobody is sweeping your experience under the rug. Im glad you were able to bring your experience out into the light. If it helps you, great. I wish you nothing but joy and happiness. My advice to anyone thinking about attending any school. Is to go and see for yourself. And talk with the students currently attending. Do not base a life choice on internet chatter.</p>
<p>notforme, I believe somewhere I read you attended in the 90's, please correct me if I'm wrong. Things have changed since women were allowed to attend SA's in the late seventies and things have chaned in ten years...also one bad case doesn't spoil the rest....</p>
<p>Do we know when OliverDrab attended . . . maybe he could shed some light on the topic. And don't even attempt to discredit my experience based on the amount of years it has been since I attended . . . you're just being hostile.</p>
<p>I hesitate to even reply for fear of being misunderstood. kpnotforme, no one is trying to discredit your experience. But I don't understand why you insist it is impossible that the climate at KP may have changed even a little. </p>
<p>Over the course of my husband's 20+ year career in the Army, I saw many changes in how the military addressed this issue and the atmosphere changed noticeably. It's not perfect now, but there has been change.</p>
<p>I expect that things have changed at the university I attended. Sure, it wasn't as tradition-bound as an academy. But if you want to talk about sweeping the subject of sexual assault under the rug, try traditional universities. Campus police often deal with them internally so that they don't harm the school's statistics and scare off potential students. It is not just an academy problem. </p>
<p>I do want to thank you for bringing up this issue. It is one that all potential female applicants should investigate. My daughter has given me no indication that she is treated differently because she is female. However, when I see her over Thanksgiving I will probably ask her about it. I suspect that things have changed, though perhaps not as much as they could/should. The fact that things may be different now does NOT negate or discredit your experience. But neither can prospective applicants make an informed decision by relying entirely on the facts of an incident that happened more than a decade before they will be attending.</p>
<p>kpnotforme, I wasn't trying to discredit your years at KP</p>
<p>Oliver says he is a KP grad and spends alot of time at KP. There has been a push to retain women, but it is an uphill battle. More so than most other military/naval academies, because it is so different. </p>
<p>We have lots of the same problems any small college has with drinking and sexual abuse...but far less than any major university. The Regiment takes care of a lot of its own problems in its own way, but Oliver wishes that the dark years of Joe Stewart giving a pass to sexual abusers will go away. Oliver blames him for lots a problems at KP that got worse instead of getting better. He had a real hard time leaving the cult of personality, and an even harder time coming to grips with the fact that his leadership could be detrimental to the place. Hug me, kiss me, kill me...he loved the place and the atmosphere so much that he wasn't willing to make the hard decisions to reject some of the behaviors going on.</p>
<p>not to shift topics, but kpnotforme, it really seems like you're looking for a reason to be angry with people. there is no need to be so defensive! we all play on the same team here!
on that note, i wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving and a very Merry Christmas, i hit the high seas soon and will not return until next year.
have a blast and keep the faith</p>
<p>is2day . . . I truly am not "looking" for a reason to be angry with people. Believe me, when you've experienced what I've experienced the reason is right in front of you every day. I can see where it may look like I'm just being angry, spiteful or mean, but I honestly worry about females going through what I went through while at the Academy. It was not pretty. I hope it's changed, many of you say it's changed, though that information comes mostly from moms, dads and males and I would like to hear honest opinions from more than one current female M/N.</p>
<p>Many of you mention the sexual assault and harassment that occurs at "regular" universities and how much more prevalent it is at these institutions. The difference I see is the very large discrepancy in the male to female ratio at the academies than at most universities.</p>
<p>Also, the huge scandals at some other Academies in the recent past is of concern:</p>
<p>USAFA -- 2003 -- approximately 150 women from 1993-2003 came forth with allegations of sexual assault. And I think everyone already knows what the Fowler Commission's statment on this issue was: "sexual assault has become a part of life at the academy"</p>
<p>USCGA -- 2006 -- 1/C charged with sexually assaulting 6 female cadets, formal charges were rape, assault, indecent assault and sodomy. He was acquitted of rape, found guilty of indecent assault, extortion, sodomy, failure to obey an order and being absent without leave.</p>
<p>USMA -- January 2008 -- male member of class of 2009 charged with 1 count of rape, 3 counts of failure to obey an order, 1 count of making a false official sttement. He was acquitted of ape, convicted of making a false offical statement and sentenced to dismissal for failure to obey a general order. This case was highly controversial as cadets on both sides of the accuser and the accused made statements about the female being "easy", but if he wasn't in the wrong why was he convicted of lying to investigators and not allowed to graduate with his class while the female is still at the academy? Isn't saying a girl is "easy" fairly similar to saying she asked for it?</p>
<p>These incidents are ones that made the news and were not dealt with internally. How many more were there? A 2005 study by DOD showed that 67% of sexual assaults at the Service Academies goes unreported. Big number.</p>
<p>These incidents did not occur way back in the 90s, but recently. Can you understand why I would be concerned and maybe even a little angry?</p>