<p>Why is name recognition that important? It is easily to get a job as a Harvard grad as a Williams grad. What important when you are here (at prestigious institutions) are to do well and that will sets you apart, not some sticker that you have at the back of your car!</p>
<p>is Williams near HYPMS selectivity</p>
<p>^Yes. Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, and Pomona are like the LAC counterparts to HYPS. However, can they really be on the uber pretigious institutions list when they lack top graduate and professional programs?</p>
<p>^WASP are not as selective as HYPS--their selectivity is more comparable to the next level down.</p>
<p>Not to mention that they are incredibly small.</p>
<p>But not as small as CalTech.</p>
<p>Top universities by number of graduate programs in the top 10 in their fields (NRC rankings)</p>
<ol>
<li>Berkeley [35] </li>
<li>Stanford [31] </li>
<li>Harvard [26]<br></li>
<li>Princeton [22] </li>
<li>MIT [20] </li>
<li>Cornell [19] </li>
<li>Yale [19] </li>
<li>Chicago [18] </li>
<li>Pennsylvania [15] </li>
<li>UC San Diego [14] </li>
<li>Columbia [14] </li>
<li>Michigan [14] </li>
<li>Wisconsin [14]</li>
</ol>
<p>but Caltech is just awesome!! no argument</p>
<p>Columbia of course (one of the original colonial colleges, affiliated with several Nobel prize winners and notorious alumini, with a respectable endowment and world-class faculty/student body).</p>
<p>Current Berkeley faculty accomplishments:
[quote]
National and international awards held by current faculty:
American Association for the Advancement of Science Fellows: 196
American Philosophical Society: 36
American Academy of Arts and Sciences Fellows: 227
A. M. Turing (computing): 3
Fields Medal in Mathematics: 3
Fulbright Scholars: 76
Guggenheim Fellows: 358
Howard Hughes Medical Institute Investigators: 11
Institute of Medicine members: 11
MacArthur Fellows: 28
National Academy of Education: 8
National Academy of Engineering: 85
National Academy of Sciences: 132
National Medal of Science: 14
National Poet Laureates: 1
National Science Foundation Young Investigators Awards: 61
Nobel Prize: 7
Polk Award in Journalism: 2
Pulitzer Prizes: 4
Sloan Fellows (young researchers): 87
Wolf Prizes in agriculture, mathematics, chemistry, physics, medicine and the arts: 4
[/quote]
National</a> rankings & faculty honors - UC Berkeley</p>
<p><em>Post your other universities for comparison...but, I suspect only HYPSM can match or exceed Berkeley in faculty distinction.</em></p>
<p>UCB,
Not that this should surprise anyone, but your list of colleges with top graduate programs matches the USNWR PA rankings very, very closely. Of these 13 colleges, U Wisconsin is the only interloper and only Johns Hopkins is missing. </p>
<p>Your list of most graduate programs ranked in the Top 10 by NRC:</p>
<ol>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Stanford </li>
<li>Harvard </li>
<li>Princeton </li>
<li>MIT </li>
<li>Cornell </li>
<li>Yale </li>
<li>Chicago </li>
<li>Pennsylvania</li>
<li>UC San Diego</li>
<li>Columbia </li>
<li>Michigan </li>
<li>Wisconsin </li>
</ol>
<p>PA Score, PA Rank , School (USN Rank)</p>
<p>4.9 , 1 , Princeton (1)
4.9 , 1 , Harvard (2)
4.9 , 1 , Stanford (4)
4.9 , 1 , MIT (7)
4.8 , 5 , Yale (3)
4.8 , 5 , UC Berkeley (21)
4.7 , 7 , Caltech (5)
4.6 , 8 , Columbia (9)
4.6 , 8 , U Chicago (9)
4.6 , 8 , Cornell (12)
4.6 , 8 , Johns Hopkins (14)
4.5 , 12 , U Penn (5)
4.5 , 12 , U Michigan (25)</p>
<p>
I don't know which NRC rankings you're looking at, but I count only 17 Chicago programs, 13 Columbia programs, and 12 UC-SD programs in the top 10. I haven't checked any others (except Penn, of course, where your 15 is accurate), but you might want to recount. :)</li>
</ol>
<p>And watch out for those hanging chad. :p</p>
<p>lol bruno, nooooooo!</p>
<p>^ Ahhh... well then UCB's Letter and Science department page is messed up...that's my source.</p>
<p>Huh? I thought we are talking about undergrad here. Does grad school matters then? Selectivity does not take into account the element of self-selection. So, it is not really an accurate portrayal of selectivity of a college. Besides, selectivity implies name recognition (Why is this THAT important again? It is but to such an extent that you guys think?)! Oh, small is not good huh? Then, I supposed you don't really care about student-faculty relationship/closeness (which is important in determining great ugrad edu) and ratio (one of the factors only though) then? So, you prefer profs who will give preference to grad students over you any time whenever you have that "easy" questions to ask or anything else for that matter? Unless you can get those by yourself (which requires determined effort and one of the reasons why those schools is still great options to top students. But, not all students are that proficient in getting help!), you are actually been lying to yourself all this time...</p>
<p>
That's right, Hawkette...and what again is PA supposed to be measuring? That's right...distinguished academic programs! Shout it out when you know the answer...don't be shy!</p>
<p>:D</p>
<p>The number of Rhodes scholars coming from an institution is another measure of its success that I think people do not take into consideration.</p>
<p>
Then try this source from now on:</p>
<p>NRC</a> Rankings in Each of 41 Areas</p>
<p>along with the word search function on the Google toolbar. :)</p>
<p>Pomona's selectivity is not the same as the rest of that group.</p>
<p>The little Ivies are
Williams, Amherst and Weselyn
Williams is the top LAC and Amherst is probably second--I would say Williams is considered to be just as good as Penn and Columbia.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Columbia barely placed before the University of Michigan on that list. IMHO, it will never be HYPSMC, whether that C is for Caltech, Columbia, or Chicago.</p>