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I think NYC has enough representation in our society. A school shouldn't be judged merely because it's surrounded by a bunch of buildings (I know you weren't serious). Nor should Penn be exalted for one exceptional program. </p>
<p>I mean, the Detroit Lions once had Barry Sanders. They're still the most winless team in the history of the NFL. (not saying Penn's bad).</p>
<p>I think that it doesn't make sense to include Caltech and exclude selective LACs like Amherst and Williams. Caltech is just too small, and it's also a niche.</p>
<p>To me, the obvious candidates are Columbia and Duke. I think Columbia has the "name" (which is really what we're talking about), more so than any of the other Ivies. Duke, in my opinion, has as good a claim to this list as Stanford does--both are reminders that tops schools are not only in the Ivy League. My top criteria for this kind of thing is the excellence of the students attracted, and Duke beats Standard by this score (as do a couple of the other Ivies).</p>
<p>I believe top LAC should be put into the first/second-tier lists.</p>
<p>Sorry if this is a little out of topic but how do you guys think UK's University of Cambridge fairs among the employers of top companies in the US? I mean CU is ranked fourth internationally in the Shanghai Jiao Tong University Ranking in 2007 and second internationally in 2006 and the year before...</p>
<p>University of Pennsylvania</p>
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LOL I love the Lions reference.
But in all seriousness I would rank Berkeley over Penn, at least for grad programs.
See Wikipedia: "According to the National Research Council, Berkeley ranks first nationally in the number of graduate programs in the top ten in their fields (97%, 35 of 36 programs) and first nationally in the number of "distinguished" programs for the scholarship of the faculty (32 programs). Berkeley is the only university in the nation to achieve top 5 rankings for all of its PhD programs in those disciplines covered by the US News and World Report graduate school survey. In a survey of "Top American Research Universities" released by The Center for Measuring University Performance at Arizona State University, Berkeley ranked seventh overall and first among public institutions."</p>
<p>Although I still don't think we can add Berkeley to HYPSM</p>
<p>Although I still don't think we can add Berkeley to HYPSM</p>
<p>How about C for Cambridge University? It will gives the acronym an international prestige.</p>
<p>Hypsmcccc?</p>
<p>^"H Y P S M C-cubed" Cool, huh? ;)</p>
<p>Caltech is getting pushed around in this thread because it is too small, too niche and not for "well rounded students" (whatever than means).</p>
<p>Fair enough. However I say we leave the C for Caltech if nothing else to serve as a contrast, or perhaps together with MIT, as a different measuring stick for a top notch undergraduate education. I think we have a pretty good pipeline into the professional schools (med, law, business...). I don't feel as good about our pipeline into the sciences.</p>
<p>Prestige-wise there is no question HYPS are a the top of the list. However, if I were to look at the academic record of a representative student from each of these 4 schools (minus the school name) I am not sure I would be able to easily determine who came from where. I think we would all know who the Caltech graduate is.</p>
<p>I also vote for C=Caltech if only because on a per student basis Caltech is probably mentioned in more CC posts than any of the other schools (has anybody done this calculation?)</p>
<p>Why is Cambridge University being pushed around like this? It is a great institution you know!</p>
<p>Oxford and Cambridge are two oldest institutions of higher education in the world. They command a great deal of prestige on account of this.</p>
<p>But, they are in the U.K.</p>
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I also vote for C=Caltech if only because on a per student basis Caltech is probably mentioned in more CC posts than any of the other schools (has anybody done this calculation?)
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<p>I would say Deep Springs College gets this honor.</p>
<p>People who think that Penn's only claim to fame is Wharton, don't know much about Penn. In the last NRC rankings of doctoral programs (the most respected rankings of individual academic departments), Penn ranked in the top ten in 15 fields, and in the top twenty in another 10 fields. By comparison, Columbia ranked in the top ten in 13 fields and in the top twenty in 13 fields, and Duke ranked in the top ten in 8 fields and in the top twenty in 10 fields.</p>
<p>NRC</a> Rankings in Each of 41 Areas</p>
<p>Plus, in the "Top American Research Universities" report of the Center for Measuring University Performance, Penn consistently shares the highest tier with only Columbia, Harvard, MIT, and Stanford:</p>
<p><a href="http://mup.asu.edu/research2007.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://mup.asu.edu/research2007.pdf</a> (see page 8)</p>
<p>Of course, in addition to the above, Penn's wide array of top-ranked professional schools--e.g., Wharton (#1 for undergrad, top 3 for grad), Nursing (arguably #1 for undergrad, top 3 for grad), Communications (top 5), Medicine (top 5), Veterinary (top 5), Law (top 10), Dental (top 10), Design/Architecture (top 10), etc.--only adds to its eminence.</p>
<p>I'm not saying that it's time to add a second "P" to HYPS . . . . yet. :) But Penn certainly belongs in any discussion of the possible addition of a C or a D--and not just because of W. ;)</p>
<p>what about williams? in terms of undergrad education it has to be mentioned.</p>
<p>^It lacks the research and name recognition with normal people to be in the same league as HYPS.</p>
<p>Too bad that Deep Springs is only a two year, albeit amazing, institution. And way to small to be added to HYPS</p>
<p>Why Columbia and not UChicago. They are practically identical.</p>
<p>HYPSMC..end of story. C=caltech. just because columbia and chicago also begin with C doesn't mean u can just replace them =]</p>