<p>my D got a very nice scholarship, she didn't have the TOP grades, she had decent scores, but she had amazing ECs....the school saw that, and they had scholarships for those kids....what a concept...and this is a wonderful school...not the "tippy top", as some seem to think is the be all end all of life</p>
<p>but a decent scholarship at a decent school- and a scholarship that recognizes a students contribution to the world, not just numbers on paper, is truely meaningful to some</p>
<p>Best student is gee, all relative...numbers aren't everything to many schools...</p>
<p>inthebiz's comments make sense to me too. I totally understand Dad II's frustrating and thinking changed from time to time. It is normal when something comes up unexpected or ... .
I like this forum people help each other when there is a need, but it is not the place to vent!</p>
<p>"I don't know much about colleges but when I look at the US news the top 100 colleges, I did not see Ohio State. So DadII has a point. Maybe DadII and daughter are looking for more than fine. Isn't that why most of us join CC?"</p>
<p>A) Go poke around at any of the most exclusive suburbs of Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, etc. I guarantee you that more people who have achieved the financial success to live there and send their own kids to Top 20 USN&W schools without blinking an eye financially are graduates of Ohio State, than all the Ivys combined. Same thing with Illinois in Chicago, Michigan in Detroit, etc. </p>
<p>B) Just because DadII has some Asian dream that his daughter will only attend HYPSM/similar caliber schools does not mean that he isn't anticipated / expected to pay the full EFC at any college that she applies to. Either put schools that offer merit aid in the mix if getting the money is that important to you and accept that the very top rung of schools often don't do merit aid, or suck it up and be glad that you have the means to pay the EFC in the first place.</p>
<p>garland, I know he was agreeing; it was the last half of his post
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That is stupid. Best student gets the best money , right? Not the stupid play and stupid public service. Top student = Top acceptances = Top money and if you say anything different you are a liar or stupid.
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that struck me as the response of a 16 year old junior (probably one responding to "chances" threads, based on his/her years of experience).</p>
<p>I've heard Ohio State listed as at near the bottom of tier 1 or near the top of tier 2 in USN&WR, and that's usually its lowest ranking. Unfortunately, this really doesn't seem to have much to do with the relative academic merits and/or shortcomings of Ohio State. It, rather, seems to have everything to do with the original posters sense of "shame" if his daughter doesn't measure up to his brother's child. Forgive me if I don't share the same sense of "shame" inherent in being accepted into the honors program of a university ranking somewhere between 25th (Lombardi Center) and 57th (USN&WR) in America.</p>
<p>That is sad. Your daughter is an incredibly accomplished young woman of whom you should be very proud. Quite frankly, from her spirited insistence on broadening her horizons beyond the study table, I'd say that spirit and well roundedness that she's displayed so far are worth far more in the long run than an extra point or two on the ACT. Just remember, America is full of perfect test score grinds who every day have to answer to and take orders from bosses who may have only scored a 30 or 31 on their ACT but also took time to develop many of the other essential skills necessary for future success. </p>
<p>I'd suggest that the OP take a look at the linked list. While it may not rival an alumni list from HYP, it does show that people can leave Ohio State and have successful, even nationally and globally impacting, careers.</p>
<p>That's a great list. I noticed lots of astronauts. That made me think of the terrific Michigan commercial played on college football Saturdays. It's a space capsule/space ship orbiting the earth as the astronauts have the Michigan fight song playing. Then a listing of Michigan alum astronauts scrolls on the screen. </p>
<p>Anyway, this "poor" immigrant has over $100K in the bank for D's education, yet now claims he'd withhold the cash if she winds up at Ohio State. I don't know if he's a troll or if he's real, but I can't stop from checking back to view this nutty thread. I guess I'm as crazy as he is.</p>
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A) Go poke around at any of the most exclusive suburbs of Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus, etc. I guarantee you that more people who have achieved the financial success to live there and send their own kids to Top 20 USN&W schools without blinking an eye financially are graduates of Ohio State, than all the Ivys combined. Same thing with Illinois in Chicago, Michigan in Detroit, etc.
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<p>I can use the same argument for people who never even graduate from college. </p>
<p>I still think it depends on the schools, some schools give out merit money strictly based on SAT/GPA and some give out based on SAT/GPA/ECs.
For example, check out BYU and Baylor. For BYU, if you have old SAT>1520 prospective student gets 8 free semesters. Any SAT score less than 1520 prospective student only gets 2 free semesters.</p>
<p>StickerShock, I agree with you except I don't think he's a troll. But Dad II's posts/threads are like the proverbial train wreck - you know what's coming, but it's so hard to look away. </p>
<p>I actually cringe when I read most of them because they're always full of how his kids have disappointed him YET AGAIN, but I'm hooked because of the reaction he gets.</p>
<p>The funniest thing about the whole notion of Ohio State not being "good enough" from the cultural perspective of a first generation immigrant from China is that the wealthiest man in China, Yang Guoqiang, sent his daughter to Ohio State for her undergraduate degree.</p>
<p>"America is full of perfect test score grinds who every day have to answer to and take orders from bosses who may have only scored a 30 or 31 on their ACT but also took time to develop many of the other essential skills necessary for future success."</p>
<p>Who may have ONLY scored a 30 or 31???
Only on CC . . .</p>
<p>This is reminding me of a book about senior year at academically highly competitive Whitney High, in Southern California--specifically, the story of one girl, who had fallen in love with studio art, and who clearly had enormous talent. The girl wanted to pursue a fine arts degree. The parents were horrified. As the girl explained, if she didn't attend one of a short list of highly prestigious colleges, then clearly she was doing her family great dishonor. The parents, at one point, threw the girl's art portfolio into the street traffic. I believe it did end OK, with the parents grudgingly accepting their child's path.</p>
<p>Ohio State: a professional colleague teaches at the flagship. He's outstanding at what he does, but one of the things that most impresses me about him is that he makes a real effort to bring interested, motivated undergrads into his research group...and then he gives them full credit when giving seminar talks. That's a rare and wondrous thing. One anecdote for one department not to be named, but enough for me to be wary of anyone dissing the campus.</p>
<p>I went back and read the OP's thread from last summer about what schools should fill out his D's list. Interesting reading.</p>
<p>"I can use the same argument for people who never even graduate from college. "</p>
<p>Yes, you can, Columbia Student. And let me give you exhibit #1 - my father. He dropped out of hs, earned a GED while in the Army (serving in Vietnam), and due to his hard work, persistence and people skills, became so successful in the private sector that he became president of a company, was easily able to send me, his daughter, to a Top 20 USN&WR. Whenever my husband and I get too uppity about our kids going to the "best" colleges, we have to stop and remember that it's what you do with what you have that makes all the difference in the world. DadII's daughter clearly has smarts and ability; she'll be fine. No matter what.</p>