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And Z...you're being so p-a-t-i-e-n-t with me on this one. Thanks for not ranting, even if I deserve it. I love ya for it. :-)
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<p>I had a mom, too, you know. Really! ;)</p>
<p>Nothing to rant against you personally about. You're a proud mom, and I certainly understand that and don't want to take it away from you. However, you provided a perfect example of what I've been warning parents about since I've been here, and it needed to be pointed out.</p>
<p>See how easy it is to fall into the trap? You had already heard me say it, and still you fell in.</p>
<p>I'm convinced that having your kid attend a SA is a lot like crack for parents! :D</p>
<p>Yeah, Z....
I'm the perfect 'teaching tool' example' for ya, ain't I?
(But you were still 'extra nice' to me, not like one of the sisters I would have had in my Catholic school elementary days who thought nothing of swatting my knuckles or giving me a spanking in the front of the class. Yes, ole me...got my share of discipline then - but that was still NOTHING compared to when I got home and my dad, with his 42" waist belt, used to do when HE found out!)</p>
<p>And you aren't that far off on the 'crack' thing.</p>
<p>So beat my head in every now and then and I'll survive her Navy Career. That means we gotta stay in touch forever, OK??</p>
<p>C'mon people, what has Peskemom ever said or done on this site that would make you think she'd be arrogant and demeaning? Clearly, she is a person who gets it. Clearly, from all her posts she has the proper respect for and understanding of the officer-enlisted relationship. Benefit of the doubt has been earned. I'll bet it didn't come off the way it sounded in the post.</p>
<p>Yeah, I'm a bit of a nutcase on that "being worthy" of the people you serve. Been enlisted. Been an officer. Been trained by chiefs (Sr. Chief Gallo, my sea daddy, are you out there?) Try to pass that on to the kid. Sue me.</p>
<p>Think I'll go away for awhile (CC board cheers)</p>
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Yeah, I'm a bit of a nutcase on that "being worthy" of the people you serve. Been enlisted. Been an officer. Been trained by chiefs (Sr. Chief Gallo, my sea daddy, are you out there?) Try to pass that on to the kid. Sue me.
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<p>Sue you? For what?</p>
<p>If anything, your kid is lucky to have someone so close who has BTDT. She's ahead of the curve compared to guys like me who went in blind.</p>
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<p>No cheers from me. Hope you don't stay away long. :)</p>
<p>The following is a story from the CORTRAMID (same as USNA's PROTRAMID) cruise. Several of my upperclass were witnesses to the events, and used it as an example to show us how NOT to behave on cruise.</p>
<p>So, apparently there was this USNA mid who must have thought that his **** smelled like roses, and that God himself put that uniform on his back. He completely disrespected the enlisted guys on the sub. He made them salute him when they saw him, and chewed them out when they didn't.</p>
<p>After a couple days of this, the enlisted guys couldn't take any more. During one evolution, the mids were down in the torpedo room learning how the place works. The sailors gave the mids grease pens and let them crawl into the tubes to write their names on the tube door, explaining that 'you're only 4 inches from the open ocean there.' Well, when it was this mid's turn, they sent him in, and slammed the hatch shut. They proceeded to flood the tube, but stopped it half-way and let him sit in there for a few minutes before letting him out.</p>
<p>The mids didn't see him a whole lot after that, and the enlisted guys could go about their business without having him hounding them.</p>
<p>When I first heard it, I laughed and thought it was unbelievable, but several mids on the same cruise confirmed it.</p>
<p>Now, I'm not implying that anyone, or anyone's son/daughter is like that on this board....I thought I'd just provide it as an example of how the enlisted guys react to snot-nosed younguns.</p>
<p>dmeix, I'd be the FIRST one to say that mid DESERVED it. </p>
<p>The reality as far as me and my kiddo goes...it that I'D be the one they'd really drown in that tube, because I'm the one who would act like the idiot.</p>
<p>The kid? She is the most reserved, sweet, humble and 'gets-it' person you'd ever meet. She'd NEVER, EVER, EVER pull the outrageous stunts I do. It's not a part of her nature. Trust me dmeix...she'll never be like that dude.</p>
<p>Whew! Man, go away for a few hours and all h*** breaks loose! :)</p>
<p>There are ALWAYS going to be the "fringe" that THINK they're better, smarter, faster, stronger. Sounds to me like the "kid" on the sub got lucky and hopefully learned a valuable lesson before someone really hurt him (anyone recall fragging? - showing my age here).</p>
<p>I do completely understand what you're saying peskemom AND I understand the view points of the "other" side. </p>
<p>I had a long talk with Sierra just today. I got up early and she was home so it gave us one of those few remaining private moments. We talked of what will be expected of her at the Academy and after. </p>
<p>In ANNAPOLIS (and I KNOW most of the movie was BS) when the mid CO had the plebe get in the body bag...... the scene made a significant impact on one future officer. </p>
<p>Peskemom, I'm certain Janell and Sierra are cut from the same bolt of cloth. I also hear the same from the likes of Wheelah44 and Keepon - sound, logical, compassionate, humble and smart. As one of the old timer's here says, "it'll be all right". ;)</p>
<p>(I think Spidermom just crossed me off her list of favorites! )"</p>
<p>Well you can be sure you're off MY list now Zaphod! I'd be upset except for the fact that Boston took the series against the Yankees last week, and Texas is currently beating NY as we speak. :-)</p>
<p>OK, I have to jump into this one on so many levels. As the mom of a Marine stationed at Camp Pendleton, the wife of a mustang (for those who don't know the term, it is an officer who came up through the enlisted ranks), the mom of a future mid, and a born and raised New Yorker who spent most of her formative years watching the Yankees and the Mets.</p>
<p>Where to begin? First, Peskemom, feel free to yell at my Marine anytime you catch her smoking in Oceanside (I'll send you a picture so you can stalk her for me). The Marine moms I know would bless you for nagging their sons/daughters. If you talked to him the way a mom would, I can't imagine he was offended. </p>
<p>One thing we parents need to do is work hard to counteract the arrogance that creeps into many academy grads. I have seen too many who really have no understanding of or interest in the people with whom they work. A good officer knows that he/she is only as successful as his/her subordinates make him. I have known many sailors who wished they could throw a certain officer overboard. Hubby and I have reminded our daughter of this daily; she knows too many incredible enlisted people. She has also heard us speak of some worthless officers. Our job is to remind them to treat others with dignity and respect.</p>
<p>Finally, Z had it right. The Yankees let the Red Sox win occasionally so they don't get discouraged. Kind of like when we play with our kids and let them win...</p>
<p>beachmom....you have a kiddo stationed at Camp Pendelton!!!!!!!!!!!! Does he want a home cooked meal from an Italian mama??? Contact me and I'd be happy to invite him and his buddies over....( no smoking, though, my hubby is allergic to the stuff) I'd be honored and delighted to do it!!!</p>
<p>And I really was joshing with that young Marine. He and I and the store clerk were truly laughing together at my crazy outrageous mom antics on mother's day. </p>
<p>Once while I had a son in marching band at our local high school, he had a 6'2" friend, clarinet player, who smoked. Once when I saw the kid smoking off campus I stood up on a chair next to him, so I could be taller and told him smoking was bad for him, because it would stunt his growth!!! Of course he laughed at my heckling, too! :-)</p>
<p>I just found out my best friend is somewhat like those in that thread. He's applying for NROTC, but he's only doing it for the money, he has no desire to serve. He'll probably end up getting the scholarship, as he's going to be my class' valedictorian and his dad, mom, and brother were in/are in ROTC. It really ticked me off when I learned that today, but I'm hesitant to tell him what I think as his dad will be writing some letters of recommendation for me, and I don't think he'd be too happy if he found out I was telling his son he shouldn't apply for a scholarship. I don't think people should even apply if their main priority isn't serving in the military. If I don't get into any of the academies and am turned down for all the ROTC scholarships I'll just go to college and enroll in ROTC, and if I can't do that for some reason I'll just enlist, and hopefully end up following my father's footsteps (mustang in USMC)</p>
<p>i remember reading about a story from a couple years ago where a AF ROTC cadet showed up during the summer for freefall or something, and thought he was the *<strong><em>. he *</em></strong>ed off everybody and ended up getting duct taped to a jet in his underwear in the middle of the night and having syrup squirted all over him.</p>
