<p>PLEASE show me something that can affirm that a black student with a 3.4 is getting in to a school while another white/asian person has a 3.8 and the sole basis is due to their race. kono, the idea that an educational experience would be enhance by diversity is entirely true. The point of attending college is to get education in your field and be ready for the real world as you exit. If a college lacks diversity then they are not doing their job of of educating their students on what the real world is like. Not having diversity allows kids, mainly white , to perpetuate sterotypical judgements on people of color simply because they dont know any. AA was instiitued in hopes that more black people could go to college and get equal opportunities. the proportion of white kids in college to the amount that arent in college is MUCH better than those who are black, especially for black males. Being born white means more that just skin color, it means no hateful and racial comments on the basis of skin, it means being part of the majority once you get to the upper echelon. It means so much more. I am a black male, just my skin color lowers expectations of what I should do. Im born with a brass spoon while being white, in America, is the golden one, lets not even get into the image that is portrayed of us. Schools dont even practice AA to the way you all cry that they do. UVA, a very minority proactive school, recruits, e-mails, and even calls kids color in hopes that they may apply, but thats where it ends. My friend last year ( black male ) applied w/ a 3.9 GPA unweighted, a whole rack of IBs, 1380 SAT and was waitlisted (later rejected). I know or a fact that Va Tech doesnt even consider your race as do many other schools</p>
<p>whats an URM?</p>
<p>under represented minority</p>
<p>Too bad that all I hear is that AA sucks, even though I can't find it. AA has become nothing but a myth, that whites and asians want to complain about because their credentials arent good enough to get into college. Therefore they have to blame it on AA. The thing that is also upsetting me about it is in high school, when i tell kids what schools i got into, theyre gonna say, "its because youre black", or if i didnt get in theyll say, "youre black and they rejected you?". Please dont say people like me are getting into college with AA, when its really because i am better than the next person, although blacks do deserve it</p>
<p>good stuff Jasmine</p>
<p>Good comments firebird..... I am a black male medical scientist....it is unbelievable of what I had to go through and continue to go through!<br>
I am still waiting on someone to counter that WHITE FEMALES ARE THE BIGGEST BENEFICIARIES OF AA!!</p>
<p>you are doing your thing scientist, 1 thing that people will agree on is that there are too few black professionals, its good to see people of color doing things like that.</p>
<p>I think affirmative action should be based on economic status. Not race. For example, a rich black student who goes to a top school and gets all the advantages should NOT have a leg up over a poor white student who goes to an inner-city public school and has no advantages whatsoever.</p>
<p>Now granted, you're more likely to find a white student in the rich scenario and a black student in the poor scenario, but regardless of "the law of averages," racial status does not necessarily determine the need for affirmative action.</p>
<p>Once we switch AA from race to class standing, we'll be leveling out the playing field where it needs the most leveling.</p>
<p>^ you are right on.</p>
<p>Maybe it is because of better spelling!! (A little joke here, excel. You said you're tired of minorities getting "speacial treatment"!) Anyway, as the mother of twin bi-racial girls, I can tell you that maybe there should be some little break somewhere in the world! You try growing up being called racial slurs and "oreo", being stared at everywhere you go, being thought of as a traitor to your race (either one), being followed by security in stores, being turned down (subtly of course!) for apartments, being asked "What are you?", having teachers expect less from you, feeling like you never fit in -- this is some of what my girls go through -- being bi-racial technically, but being thought of by the whole world as (only) black. O.K., so making a 2000 on SAT rather than a 2100 got them an edge up! So what! You may have had an edge up your whole life and took it for granted! It is what it is. Why begrudge a life your know nothing about?</p>
<p>That doesn't necessarily mean that they deserve a leg up in selecting schools. While it's a tragedy that many people are bigoted toward minorities, the fact of the matter is, unless your daughters were born without many advantages and went to bad public schools and came from little money, they don't need affirmative action. If you are rich, go to good schools, have every possible advantage, and happen to be biracial, that doesn't entitle you to get a significant advantage over someone else. As I said before, affirmative action should be based on economic status and other opportunities, not the color of your skin.</p>
<p>what ever it is based on, we seem to agree that some sort of program needs to be in place to try to level the playing field...... never ceases to amaze me that the whites that do have a problem with AA don't understand that! </p>
<p>lalamomma put it on point.... imagine if you were expected, expected to do less than your racial counterpart.... imagine</p>
<p>this debate begs the following questions
-Do African Americans, Hispanics, Native Americans, Women, and some Asians at top schools belong there?
-Did they take the place of someone that "deserved" it more? How do you know? What is the criteria to "deserve" a spot at the school?
-how much of a role does Afirmative Action play in college admissions? How do you know?
-Do college admissions boards pit one black person against a white person for each spot? If not, then why do we always see arguments about "black person taking my spot"? how do you know?
-Do colleges accept people that they believe won't succeed at their institutions?
-Do all underrepresented minorities benefit from affirmative action? how do you know? In my case two years ago, I don't believe I did.</p>
<p>What the AA debate basically comes down to is this </p>
<ul>
<li>Black/Hispanic disadvantaged kids (the majority) get an advantage at college admissions
-Black/Hispanic well-off kids (the minority) get a leg up in admissions </li>
<li>White well-off kids (the majority) don't get an advantage
-White disadvantaged kids (the minority) don't get an advantage</li>
</ul>
<p>These points kind of speak for themselves, but I will say that I have ABSOLUTELY no respect for people who are like 1/8 black and put black on the application. More than likely, they look completely white and have considered themselves white all their lives. </p>
<p>With that said, I belong to group 4 on those bullets, but will never lie nor omit my race from my application.</p>
<p>-should privledged minorities receive AA? I posted another thread a while back, but feel economic status should be a factor to determine if a person gets affirmative action... a rich black kid from a powerhouse prep school shouldnt receive the normal boost at top schools</p>
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<p>nice try. AA is still a horrible policy and I am top 1% 2280 applicant.... I know my credentials are good enough... it still is a horrible policy.</p>
<p>Do they belong there ...yes</p>
<p>Did they take the place of someone else... yes, but there is only limited space anyway! Go to another school, it won't kill you, you still have the advantage anyway!</p>
<p>Role of AA? Many think it is a big thing....I say if so, it is for white females....still waiting on a comment from those against the program.</p>
<p>Pitting one against another? Yeah, how do you know you were not beat out by another white person, that was better than you? Remember most student bodies are probably 90-95% white!</p>
<p>Do colleges accept people that they believe won't succeed? I think that admissions boards are smart enough to realize that there are limited spots and they try to pick the best that are likely to succeed....ummm most of the time they pick white people, I wonder if the quota became that the student body had to be 1/2 black... how would people react then???!! Maybe the school ranking will drop or maybe it will be the end of the world!! NO NO NO!</p>
<p>Do all underrepresented minorities benefit from AA? Hell NO NO NO!! I never have either JasonHoya!! Once again ...hate to reiterate my point....white women, white women, white women!! Anyone care to prove me wrong??????????????</p>
<p>ok reeze, you think it is a horrible policy..... do you agree a policy is needed though???</p>
<p>"BTW, I'm an asian male, and it's harder for us to get into college than anyone else...."</p>
<p>untrue</p>
<p>YOU try being a black male trying to get in HYPS</p>
<p>wow, this is a really heated thread...</p>