<p>how is it heated? I'm just being real. Black men have it the hardest... That is trufe</p>
<p>oh, my comment was not directed towards you, RBase. i was just saying that the thread in general is very heated. (i.e. there are very strong opinions on both sides of the issue)</p>
<p>Reeze, if you know credentials are good enough then dont be so quick to hate on AA for what you didnt get,if you werent admitted. And how about this one for a change, "I didnt do as well as I needed to do and I plan to make the best out of my situation" As I said before minorities should at least be given consideration (a very broad term) for the troubles they will face, because it is a certainty. And if you cant live with the fact that a person gets some extra "consideration", you need some deep introspection on to your train of thought.</p>
<p>I am black, male, and relatively poor. Unfortunately money issues have effected my high school career, therefore I agree with anyone who feels that economic status should be a factor. I mean I could pout all day about how AA doesnt help people like me , while others choose to insist it really does. But in the reality I know I have to work like anyone else accept what i havent done and move on and make the best of things</p>
<p>firebird... i think AA just adds to racial problems in society. I think it should be done for economic reasons, because as you implied.... AA COMPLETELY helps the richer URMs who can pay more for colleges.</p>
<p>I have no problem with people getting extra "consideration," but I think it's absurd when people say "your against AA because your stats aren't good enough and you want to blame the black man." This instantly makes you the victim and me (or whoever supports AA) the agressor. I think that just creates more problems. I think we can all agree that it should be based on economics. I know lots of 1/4 and 1/8 URMs that are still URMs.... I live in a wealthy suburban town where these people have tons of opportunities. How about that poor black kid (like you) who has significantly less opportunities? I say we help people like you because financially you were disadvantaged, not because of your skin color. I refuse to judge people's inate abilities based on their skin color. Policies like AA re-inforce racism because they basically say blacks can't achieve without some sort of help. I think that's a load of crap. I know black kids can achieve just as much with the same set of opportunities. I could be wrong, but that's why I'm willing to discuss things and gain a better understanding of it all.</p>
<p>good luck with your college hunting.</p>
<p>AA should be extended to anyone whose opportunity for education is really not to an advantage. Im also going to go out on a limb and say that extra consideration should be given to those who are first generation college students. Because I know for a fact that me being 2nd person in my family to graduate from HS and 1st to go to college puts me at a disadvantage to those who are 2nd ,3rd generation college students. I really had to learn everything on my own and trust me it is hard. I really feel that aspect of college admissions is really underrated</p>
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<p>hell no I don't think it's needed</p>
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Because I know for a fact that me being 2nd person in my family to graduate from HS and 1st to go to college puts me at a disadvantage to those who are 2nd ,3rd generation college students. I really had to learn everything on my own and trust me it is hard. I really feel that aspect of college admissions is really underrated
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<p>I'm the first person in my family to go to school in America (my parents came here with $100). I had to learn everything on my own as well so I know it's really hard. I however am not considered first generation because my parents went to schools in their home countires.</p>
<p>What I meant was 2-3rd gen student who were born of American citizens. The ratio of people in your situation is relatively rare in comparison to the whole college picture</p>
<p>also remember that colleges evaluate people in the context of their high schools as well as in comparison to the pool as a whole.</p>
<p>take that however you will.</p>
<p>Its a double-edged sword</p>
<p>In what way does the racial diversity of the student body enhance the educational experience? Maybe we want to stand in a circle and have each URM do a song and dance or tell us of how they were discriminated against by a nasty group of kids. To say that URM's are obligated to in some way enhance the educational experience is racist. URM's have no obligation to the other students to enhance their learning experience. </p>
<p>AA lasts a lifetime (undergrad, grad, employment, gov contracting, ect). At the Supreme Court case with U of M an admissions rep said that there may well not be any URM's at the law school if not for AA. There is only one site that I know of that publishes data on exam rates based on race, and that is the California State Bar. If you go to the statistics site of the California Bar you will see actual numbers of bar pass rates broken down by race. </p>
<p>I am sorry to say that I will never believe that society can practice racial discrimination such as AA and at the same time expect to reduce racism. </p>
<p>It sounds like many of you are firm believers in racial discrimination, and I encourage you to reconsider your position.</p>
<p>discrimination
n 1: unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice</p>
<p>affirmative action
:an active effort (as through legislation) to improve the employment or educational opportunities of members of minority groups</p>
<p>They dont sound like the same thing. If you are trying to imply that a rich white person who has had everything handed to him and a poor black person has to fight for what they need are the same then what is wrong with you. URMs have no obligation to enhance someone elses education, but just by being there they do. Are you telling me it is okay for a school to be all white? Are you telling me that an educational experience with people who look different, think different, and were raised differently from you doesnt enhance youre education as a human? Has it ever occured to you that people who have had such harsh views towards other races, change their points of view simply because they got to know someone of a different race. Its definitely not an obligation but it is an inevitability. The California Bar is a test, you either pass or fail. Show me stats that say a black kid with unbelievable inferior stats gets the nod over someone with much better stats.</p>
<p>I like being black cause I've got rhythm. Actually, no I don't, scratch that.</p>
<p>dont you hate always being the only person in the room who knows how to move with the beat?</p>
<p>Yeah, it is kind of irritating sometimes when the rhythm comes in.</p>
<p><em>ouch</em> firebird.... way to stereotype that white guys can dance... I take pride in my moves and comments like that are no good</p>
<p>FYI, I wrote my college essay about clubbin and dancing :)</p>
<p>Ok ill give it to yall, some of yall can move</p>
<p>I'll still defend that my race has natural rhythm ;)</p>
<p>woop woop(10 g's)</p>