<p>It's not feasible at all to add Stanford or any other West Coast school to the ivy league because the costs of transporting the teams to play games would be prohibitive. Not to mention the time involved. For this reason, I don't think southern or midwestern schools could realistically be added either.</p>
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<p>agreed gellino (hey we agree on something!)</p>
<p>at any rate, as i mentioned before, its hard to beat the Ivy League's stellar record in Lacrosse in particular: nearly 50% rate at finishing no. 1 or no. 2 in the country over the last 30 years (and that's not counting numerous semi- and quarter-final appearances by numerous Ivy programs during that time)</p>
<p>I don't think travel to the midwest or south Atlantic states is an issue. UChicago's Div. III teams play east coast opponents and if they can manage it anyone can.</p>
<p>yeah, but do they have to travel that far because they've established long and rich rivalries or is it because they can't find anyone one that wants to play them within a reasonable distance?</p>
<p>Ivy Scholars would never tolerate the lugubrious nothingness of Interstate 80 from mid-Pennsylvania west as they are transported to athletic events in the Midwest.</p>
<p>I bet there are plenty of D-III schools that UChicago could play in close proximity, but probably like being part of that league, which I get the impression is a weaker, more distant version of the NESCAC.</p>
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Ivy Scholars would never tolerate the lugubrious nothingness of Interstate 80 from mid-Pennsylvania west as they are transported to athletic events in the Midwest.
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<p>And what, you think 495 would be better? :p</p>
<p>Historically, William and Mary and Rutgers would replace Cornell. Maybe Army and Navy but that's icky.</p>
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I feel that xanthom has no understaning of what the Ivy League is or what it means. I'd like to see some of his 'various sources'. Does NYU even play in the WUSTL, Emory, URochester, CMU league?
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<p>The Ivy League consists of schools that play sports regularly with each other, right?</p>
<p>Various sources include a few friends (one of them even goes to Cooper Union), and good old Wikipedia.</p>
<p>Now, I think the situation may be that NYU wants to join the Ivy League and not vice versa. But from my experience NYU isn't too big on sports at all, so that could defer the process.</p>
<p>My reference to UChicago was only in reference to the cost of travel. One would hope that the Ivy Scholars could figure out that one can fly, as do the teams that travel from the east to Chicago and vice versa.</p>
<p>When I went to Yale on Friday, there were flags that said who Yale was playing (for football). I remember seeing a Yale vs. San Diego flag. I don't know who's at home or away (it doesn't matter because someone is going to be traveling across the country), but it was strange.</p>
<p>I say we all defer to the guy who used the word "lugubrious." And no, lacrosse and rowing are things real athletes do to keep in shape until football season comes 'round again.</p>
<p>Having played both football and lacrosse, I wouldn't call lacrosse players any less real athletes than football players. If anything, lacrosse is somewhat more athletic because it mixes the running requirements of soccer with the strength requirements of football while requiring better eye-hand coordination than either of the other two.</p>
<p>Yeah but how many times are you tackled by a 300 pound guy in lacrosse?</p>
<p>Yeah, but just because a guy is 300 pounds doesn't make one an "athlete"</p>
<p>More importantly, how often are you tackled by a 300-pound guy when you're rowing? Full-contact rowing without life preservers--now THERE'S a sport.</p>
<p>As for my proof of NYU being considered a "new Ivy" (in the sense of academic excellence, not sports): <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14325172/site/newsweek/page/7/%5B/url%5D">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14325172/site/newsweek/page/7/</a></p>
<p>I heard in my visit to Columbia that originally the Ivy League WERE supposed to be composed of 10 schools. The 2 other schools (I think one was Rutger) refused to join.</p>
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As for my proof of NYU being considered a "new Ivy" (in the sense of academic excellence, not sports): <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14325172...wsweek/page/7/%5B/url%5D%5B/quote%5D">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14325172...wsweek/page/7/
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<p>If that's your proof, here's my rebuttal:</p>
<p>Lowest Ivy: 15
NYU: 34</p>
<p>Ooooh, burn.</p>
<p>NYU isn't good enough academically to be in the Ivy League</p>
<p>If the goal is to have a school in around the same range of academic range of strenght, the list of schools is significantly narrowed: Stanford, MIT, Duke, UChicago, CIT...maybe JHU and NU though both are weaker than Cornell...so that is about 6 or 7 schools</p>