<p>Schools with longest tradition and most games played against the Ivies are Holy Cross and Colgate. Both HC and Colgate have over 100 years tradition with the league. Add in geographic proximity and athletic similarities no other schools match HC and Colgate.</p>
<p>^ I agree. Plus, there's enough Ivies in New York anyways. :)</p>
<p>definitely Wash U and Duke</p>
<p>(excluding geography and athletics from the equation)</p>
<p>My picks are Stanford and Duke/University of Chicago.</p>
<p>For what it is worth a de facto expanded ivy group already exists:</p>
<p>Ivy Deans group:
" ...a topic of discussion at the meeting of the Ivy Deans — comprising the eight league schools plus Stanford University, the University of Chicago and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said Nancy Weiss Malkiel, dean of the college."
<a href="http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2003/04/11/news/7901.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/archives/2003/04/11/news/7901.shtml</a></p>
<p>Ivy Plus used for studying international student trends:
<a href="http://www.hio.harvard.edu/about_hio/ivy_plus.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.hio.harvard.edu/about_hio/ivy_plus.pdf</a></p>
<p>I say Stanford and Duke!!</p>
<p>All of you who say Stanford, have you looked at a map of the USA lately? Notice how Stanford is in California, and California is WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY over there?</p>
<p>If every elite college was in the Northeast, then Id recommend Stanford and Duke</p>
<p>The distance between Penn and Harvard is 4-5, between Duke and Penn prolly around 8-10...the difference between Stanford and Penn is like, say 40 or something....</p>
<p>Georgetown is nice and East Coastish, and in a nice historic city. Chicago is too midWestern (many hours away from Penn)....hmmm. Someone should call the Ivy League bosses and see what they think</p>
<p>"Ivy Deans group:
" ...a topic of discussion at the meeting of the Ivy Deans — comprising the eight league schools plus Stanford University, the University of Chicago and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said Nancy Weiss Malkiel, dean of the college.""</p>
<p>Haha! University of Chicago is present but no sight of Northwestern.</p>
<p>So I guess that debate is closed. :D</p>
<p>"Haha! University of Chicago is present but no sight of Northwestern."</p>
<p>-And it's like.... who cares? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>And it's like...a joke!</p>
<p>Oh wait...let me go out in kk19131 style.</p>
<p>:rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:</p>
<p>Duke football has been shutout in 3 of its first 4 games, has lost to a I-AA opponent and has lost 12 straight ACC games. Duke needs Division I-AA. (Its situation is getting so bad that even if its not the Ivy League they ought to go Patriot League with Georgetown and maybe William and Mary). </p>
<p>Meanwhile, Georgetown alumni continue their assault on the world's leadership positions. Even while the NFL Commissioner takes leave of his position, and the former US President reverts to being a mere world statesman, GU alumns have the power in Spain, the Philippines, Jordan, as commander of the multinational force in Iraq, at MIT, as the US Solicitor General, at Citigroup and Alcatel , running the European Commission and as the US Envoy for Darfur, while its football team plays Columbia and Brown competitively, and its non-revenue sports win a national championship (sailing last year).</p>
<p>Moreover, the critical synergistic animosity between Duke and Georgetown is growing from last year's basketball contest, creating a viable and lucrative rivalry that will make the basketball component of the new Ivy League (the 8 plus Duke and Georgetown) commercially viable. If both these schools work on it, Georgetown has the potential to be more hated than North Carolina, and Duke has the potential to be more hated than Syracuse at each campus. The flames get fanned on December 2 this year.</p>
<p>The logic of this is so overwhelming that I actually think it will one day happen.</p>
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<p>Pfft, Duke-UNC is considered one of the fiercest rivalries in sports, up there with UMich-OSU at the collegiate level. Stick to Syracuse dude. You don't want to turn into another Maryland. :p</p>
<p>Rice and stanford....I think rice is similar to princetown, both are focused on Undergrad, both have huge endowment per student ,they suck in sports...</p>
<p>Pateta, you did hit on THE most important criterion--they MUST suck at sports, especially football. So...take your pick: Georgetown, William and Mary, Duke. Georgetown was founded in 1789, so it fits that old-as-dirt criterion. Duke goes back only to 1838, and their first football loss was in 1899 to Sweet Briar, 48-7. I think.</p>
<p>I had a dream-Bill and Melinda Gates were on the Duke side of the court and Maria Shriver and Arnold Swartzenager were on the Georgetown side at a sold out Los Angeles Staples Center watching Georgetown and Duke. David Addington was switching sides and stopping for a hot dog at half time of this IVY League tournament game, the winner to play an upstart Columbia team who had just bested Princeton in the other semifinal</p>
<p>Hey, Rice doesn't suck in baseball!</p>
<p>If only anyone cared about baseball...</p>
<p>"I had a dream-Bill and Melinda Gates were on the Duke side of the court and Maria Shriver and Arnold Swartzenager were on the Georgetown side at a sold out Los Angeles Staples Center watching Georgetown and Duke. David Addington was switching sides and stopping for a hot dog at half time of this IVY League tournament game, the winner to play an upstart Columbia team who had just bested Princeton in the other semifinal" OK that was very wierd!!!!I normally dream about cars, naked girls ,strange places...but dreaming about Arnold Swartzenager ,Bill and Melinda Gates and Maria Shriver !!!that's damm scary</p>
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<p>what about lacrosse? over the past 30 years, the Ivies (Princeton and Cornell) have either been NCAA National Champs or National Runner-ups - 13 out of the last 30 years.</p>
<p>Ivies are also perennial powers in Ice Hockey and Rowing.</p>
<p>"(excluding geography and athletics from the equation)"</p>
<p>That's a lot of the rationale, so certainly shouldn't be excluded. </p>
<p>I feel that xanthom has no understaning of what the Ivy League is or what it means. I'd like to see some of his 'various sources'. Does NYU even play in the WUSTL, Emory, URochester, CMU league?</p>
<p>Duke's first game was in 1888 (a 16-0 win over UNC) and have never played Sweet Briar in their 901 game history coming into this season. <a href="http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/duke/yearly_results.php?year=1888%5B/url%5D">http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/acc/duke/yearly_results.php?year=1888</a>
Ivys are definitely competitive at the highest level in hockey and lacrosse.</p>