International Applicant(s) from UK

<p>Hey, </p>

<p>How are you all doing? I am currently a college (not University/College) student in London, United Kingdom and I am studying New Media Art. I have been looking at Chapman University: Dodge College of Film and Media Art since I was in secondary school and I have always wanted to attend. I have several awards and vocational degree’s along with “fair” GCSE results and a level 2 diploma in Creative & Media – that’s only few, I have more but it isn’t relevant to the question. </p>

<p>I was wondering if it’s harder for international students to get accepted into the B.F.A. Creative Producing or the University in-general. Also, it would be amazing to get comments from current or applying international students.</p>

<p>Im a uk citizen and got accepted to the business school EA. I think chapman along with many other private universities love applicants that are international, especially from europe. I didnt go through english secondary school so i’m not sure how they will read your stats</p>

<p>Thanks for the reply, I didn’t think anyone would reply to the topic. What secondary school did you attend? I found the international grades application form and it asked me to put in my GCSE results, but I am not sure how they’ll read.</p>

<p>The staff should be smart enough to realise that the top marks will be A - onwards. So I should be good, hopefully?</p>

<p>Hi WarehouseatHome,</p>

<p>I’m currently applying as a UK international student. I haven’t received a decision yet but I’ve gone through the application process.</p>

<p>I didn’t do A-levels, but I did the IB and IGCSE and had my school submit those in a transcript. I’m sure Chapman University has received lots of English applicants before and will know how to read GCSEs. You might want to attach a separate document to the application explaining each of your diplomas and the awarding body. I’m currently doing a Foundation Diploma in Art and Design at the Arts University College at Bournemouth, so I had to explain to them what that Foundation Diploma was very briefly.</p>

<p>Bear in mind, however, that your British qualifications will not be enough. You will have to take the SATs to apply to many American universities. Plus, if your GCSE results are “fair” then you could work to get even better SAT results which would make your application stronger. Have you done the SATs yet? (You could also take the ACT but I don’t know much about it; I opted for the SATs instead.)</p>

<p>Hope that helped!</p>

<p>Hey, thanks for the reply.</p>

<p>The last time I did a ‘SATs’ was year nine and I don’t know if it’s possible for me to take it. My GCSE results for my core subjects are…</p>

<p>Maths - B
English - B
Science - C </p>

<p>I also passed all of my other GCSE, apart from R.E. and P.E. I failed Physical Education because I suffered from a football/soccer injury and demanded I wouldn’t do any phyiscal work. I also have loads of other E.C that I do such Army Cadets Force, Weekend work experience and more. Could you tell me how your application went and your chances of getting?</p>

<p>Also, for my GCSE results. Do I need my secondary school to fax them or something? Or is it like UK applications where I just get the head teacher to sign it and then I send it off.</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>Hi WarehouseatHome,</p>

<p>Can I just ask quickly, are you planning on applying for the year beginning in 2011 or 2012?</p>

<p>If you are applying for 2012 and are just asking your questions early, I’d recommend doing the SATs again. Year Nine was a while ago. However if you are confident with your scores from Year Nine then of course don’t listen to me! :slight_smile: It’s very easy to register for the SATs, and since you live in London you won’t have to travel far. I was able to do it on my own although I was no longer part of a high school. (I studied in Shanghai and graduated from secondary school in 2009, took a gap year, and am now studying my foundation diploma in England. I did my SATs whilst studying in England). If you have any questions on that I’d be happy to help you.</p>

<p>To apply to Chapman University, you have to use the Common Application. This is like an American equivalent of UCAS only not all universities use it in America. You use the Common Application to attach recommendations, academic transcripts, personal statement, etc. So, regarding your question about transcripts, you have to assign your secondary school counsellor who will then attach your transcripts. Note that your transcript is not just your GCSE results; it’s an academic record of your time at a particular school, so it would show your progress throughout your time there. So, what you will have to invite your college counsellor who will a) send in the transcripts through Common App and b) write a letter of recommendation. For any other academic institutions that you have attended from about Year 10 onwards you will have to get them to fax your transcripts to Chapman University. You cannot fax them or mail them yourself - it must be sent by the institution to be considered official. This is to prevent fraud and things.</p>

<p>What I would do is call up Chapman University and ask to speak to the Office of Admissions. Since you’re at college and not at high school, it might be a little bit different with you. So tell them your situation and they will be able to help you proceed. </p>

<p>I haven’t heard back from Chapman University yet, as I sent off my application for the 2011 term. However (at the risk of sounding a bit bigheaded) I’m fairly confident about my chances. I have quite good scores (SAT 2220, SAT II Literature (740) and Maths I (720), and IB Diploma with 42 points.) I also have lots of extra-curriculars. I am less certain about getting accepted for my major (Television and Broadcast Journalism) because I know that Dodge College is quite selective. My biggest worry is whether or not I’ll receive a scholarship, but that’s another story.</p>

<p>Let me know if you have any other questions. I’m assuming given that you’re asking these questions now that you’re going to apply for 2012 entry so you have plenty of time to sort everything out. I know it’s complicated (Lord knows it took me months to understand all the different American systems and requirements!) but if you work hard it will pay off in the end :slight_smile: Applying to America is much more complicated than applying to the UK I’m afraid. -_- People really shouldn’t complain about UCAS…</p>

<p>Anyway, let me know if you have any more questions!</p>

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>Thanks for the reply and information. I am applying for 2012, also if I don’t retake the SATs will they use my year nine versions. Also, if I do retake the SATs and get good scores will they focus more on my GCSE or SATs? </p>

<p>And is that all I need to take (SATs)? I would also like to keep in contact with you, you seem like a cool guy and I would like to know if you got in and could I could use some more advice. Anyway, back to questions.</p>

<p>How important are the SATs for an international student? I just don’t want to retake them and then get told they’re focusing on my GCSE. Final question, what kind of stuff did you send in on yourself (activities etc).</p>

<p>I can’t say for certain, but I’m 95% sure the SATs will be more important. My reasons for thinking this is a) ALL students have to submit the SATs. It’s a standard test that everyone must do. An American admissions team will understand and receive the SAT better than the GCSE. b) If you retook the SATs, then the SAT would be a better indication of your academic strength now as opposed to when you were 16. </p>

<p>The SATs are important for everyone, no matter if you’re an international student or not. They’re not going to base their decision on the UK equivalent - they will look at your SATs. Therefore I strongly strongly recommend you take the test again. You wouldn’t really have to take the test until July, Sept, Nov depending on when you apply, so you have plenty of time to prepare. I prepared for my SATs in one month and passed with a reasonable score. </p>

<p>If you don’t retake the SAT, they will use your Year Nine ones. You have to submit SATs - no way round it! Of course there are some other colleges other than Chapman that don’t require SATs but most of them will. Are you planning on applying anywhere else in the US?</p>

<p>Most of the things they need will be listed on the Common Application. But you’re going to have to do your research into what each college will want. American universities are rather strange - unlike the UK, they don’t interview as many students because so many students apply. So, they require a lot more information when you apply. So an application usually consists of a General application and a Supplemental application. The General application is usually reserved for the “general” things like basic information, personal statement, recommendation, grades, and so on. It’s the UCAS part of the application. The Supplemental application is more like the interview. It gets more into specifics about why you want to study the major you’ve chosen and tries to learn more about you as a person.</p>

<p>Take Dodge College as an example. As I mentioned, to apply to Chapman you have to apply through Common App online. Common App allows you to fill in the general application which will be sent to all universities you apply to. Then, each university will have a separate supplemental application listed on Common App. Each supplemental application will be different for each university. Dodge College’s supplemental application asks for different things depending on your major. You can find the requirements on the website but I believe you have to have yet another letter of recommendation, a creative essay (with a prompt given), a creative resume and then an extra task depending on your chosen major. </p>

<p>Quick note on personal statement, bear in mind that American personal statements usually require different content as opposed to UK ones. The nice thing about most American PSs is that they give you a question to work with. So don’t start writing your personal statement willy nilly until you know exactly what they want. Do your research and look on each college’s website. They will list the requirements and tasks on the website. That’s usually how you get your information!</p>

<p>Sorry if I’ve told you a bunch of stuff you already know. I just remember when I started applying to America I had to find out a lot of this stuff by myself, and it’s lovely to help someone! I’ll keep you posted and let you know if I got into Chapman. I’ve already received an acceptance letter from Loyola Marymount University as well.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>P.S. I’m actually a girl, lol</p>

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>Thanks for the reply and the help. I haven’t done or seen a SATs exam for ages, does the the difficulty depends on the age? </p>

<p>Also, when did you apply and how long did the application take you (maximum). I want to apply for Dodge’s College as well, Creative Produsing. What are my chances in-general?</p>

<p>As I understand it, most American students take the SAT exam during the second half of Year 12 or the first term of Year 13. That’s probably the prime time to take it because most of what they test you on the SAT is being reviewed at high school at the same time. The SAT exam has changed over the years. I highly recommend buying the Princeton Review “Cracking the SAT.” They really break it down for you and make it seem very easy. You have to sign up on the College Board website to register for the SAT. </p>

<p>Since you have time, you might want to consider taking the SAT IIs as well, since your GCSEs were a while ago and may not reflect your abilities now. The SAT IIs are subject tests. You take a one hour test in a subject. They are not a requirement but are good for strengthening one’s application, and also for showing width and breadth in skills and knowledge. I took the SAT IIs in Mathematics I and Literature, but there are also tests in different languages, sciences, and humanities. There are Princeton Review books for these also. You can take up to three SAT IIs on one test date, but you cannot take the SAT and the SAT IIs on the same day.</p>

<p>I applied later than I should have - the deadline is January 15 and I sent in my app a few days before. However, some American colleges have a system called “Early Decision” in which the student applies by an earlier deadline, usually in November or December. For each college it varies, but I believe Early Decision is for students who REALLY want to go to that university. If you get accepted through Early Decision, then you have to reject all other offers from other universities and go there. I’m not entirely sure if it’s like that for Chapman University though, you might have to check that. I know that film students have to apply by Nov 15th but I doubt that it’s a binding agreement. </p>

<p>If you apply by regular decision, I would suggest starting your application at least two months before the deadline. The application would take about a month to complete depending on how hard you work, how busy you are, how many essays and references you need, etc. Try not to send it in a few days before the deadline. Common App needs a few days to process the application fee before it sends off your application, so if you pay on the deadline it means your application will be received a few days AFTER the deadline. Glad I caught that at the last minute, lol…</p>

<p>As for your chances, I’m afraid I don’t know. I don’t even know if I got in myself yet! But don’t worry, if you work hard on your SATs, your personal essays, and spend the next year getting some great extra curriculars (they LOVE leadership activities btw) then I’m sure you will have no problem getting in. You have plenty of time! :)</p>

<p>(lol sorry that I always write so much…)</p>

<p>No problems, the more information the better. What kind of E.C do you think I should go for? I am currently doing Army Cadets and I am getting promoted soon, I also do Events Management with under 18 organiser, I am also in my sixth form council. I pretty much do a lot.</p>

<p>But please give me some more advice, I love it.</p>

<p>Community service is a good one - volunteer work with the elderly, children, poor, animals, environment…as long as its serving the community, that always looks good. Learning an instrument or playing a sport regularly is also good. They basically want to see that you will be an active member on campus should you attend. They also want to see that you’re a well-rounded individual with many interests. What you have is good, but yes, I think doing something charity-related and doing something arty or sporty (or both!) would be useful too. :)</p>

<p>I also play for a football/soccer team so I guess that is good. I also help my secondary school out with drama productions, I use to be a part-time lighting manager at my local theatre.</p>

<p>It’s actually extremely hard to find charity work in my current situation, it takes me at least 1-2 hours to get to sixth form and journeys back are longer. The only time I get to do activities and rest are the weekends. Although I don’t mind considering it.</p>

<p>Anymore advice =). I really want to prepare myself for this. Also, are you looking at any Uni’s in the UK. I was checking out LIPA, UC Falmouth and others.</p>

<p>Wow, kudos to you flippyadomp, for doing all that research into US colleges on your own! I hope you get into Chapman! Best wishes to you!</p>

<p>@Warehouse - flippy is right, the SATs play a big role in decision-making in college admissions offices. Go to College Board’s website and you can find the middle-50% SAT scores of admitted students for most colleges, including Chapman to see where you stand and if you should re-take the SAT. Here is the link to Chapman’s webpage specifically for prospective international students: [Chapman</a> University - Admission - Prospective International Students](<a href=“Page Not Found | Chapman University”>Page Not Found | Chapman University)
There is an FAQ link in the side bar that may answer some of your questions. And you have very interesting ECs listed. Just do what you love to do and list them down on your application. There are no wrong answers. Good luck!</p>

<p>p.s. in case the link does not show properly, just google “Chapman International” and the link should come up.</p>

<p>Thanks, I’ve looked around the International section of the website a couple days ago. I came here because I wanted my questions to be a little more personal - I essentially wanted answers from “real people”. </p>

<p>I looked over at your application ‘bigmamabear’ and no offense intended but others have larger SAT’s numbers. What brought you through to get a scholarship and a place?</p>

<p>Thanks bigmamabear :)</p>

<p>WarehouseatHome, the football, drama and lighting sound good to me. Maybe you could try organising some kind of charity event if you have time? It could be done in your local area. Community service looks very good so I would recommend at least taking a look at your options! </p>

<p>Yes, I’m looking at universities in the UK too: Westminster, Ravensbourne, Manchester Met and Edinburgh College of Art. Desperately want to go to California though. I’ve never been to America so it’s kind of scary but I guess there’s nothing wrong with dreaming big! </p>

<p>It’s really great that you’re asking these questions early, btw. Are there any other places in America you are thinking of applying to?</p>

<p>Ravenbourne has amazing students, the surrounding area is okay but I am not a fan. Just like you I want to go to California because I have heard amazing things about their teaching quality.</p>

<p>I have been looking at other Uni’s like Columbia College Chicago, Art In’s, USC and others. But I really want to go to Chapman. Also I have an events organising history - I organise gigs for my friends, I work with Raveway Entertainment. Raveway basically create and host under 16-8 raves in London.</p>

<p>But I will visit my local council HQ and see what can be done. I picked up the Princeton you told me about today, very helpful. Hopefully I’ll score around 18,000 - 20,000. If I score something below their ‘SATs requirement’, can my EC make up for it or my essay?</p>

<p>The events management stuff sounds amazing and works very well for leadership skills. That will look great on your application. I’m afraid I’m not sure about what to do if you score below the SAT requirement though. You’d have to call up and ask. </p>

<p>Also, I think you mean 1800 and 2000 hehe. Are you hoping for a scholarship? As international students we aren’t eligible for financial aid.</p>

<p>Haha, yeah (I think you mean 1800 and 2000). I am typing all this on the move, currently on the tube going to North London - it’s been a busy day. I am hoping or a scholarship but if I don’t receive one then I guess it’s a loan. </p>

<p>How is your application going? Have they updated the status of it? Also, do you have anymore advice? What did you write about in your essay?</p>