International students not finding jobs

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@techis, you’ve opened a 2 year old thread. Why?

Also, I know my Native-American ancestors immigrated hundreds of thousands of years ago via the Bering Straits. A lot of the people on this site have ancestors that have been here for a couple hundred years, who tamed a harsh wilderness and used squatter legislation to create this country. Their families built up the country from farms and factories. In present times, the country has too many people who want to get into the US, and too many industries which don’t have the jobs to support all of the millions of students who want to come and hope to stay.

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Dang, i didn’t know it was 2 year old thread.

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Agree to most of the points. But for your information international students pay much more than local students do. Why has not anyone mentioned that. They currently contribute to 12% income of the US economy. So in a way they are contributing to the growth of US. Most students of the students come well prepared with finances. Some do come with a tight budget. But on the whole it is good for USA. There are so many international travelers travelling to different countries with a very meager budget. Do the other countries shoo them away?

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For example, all who enter the restaurant come to eat. But all have different budgets.

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@“aunt bea” many industries which don’t have the jobs to support all of the millions of students.

International students are paying much more than local students. Economy bad is US, so is it, all over the world. Not heard of millions of international students getting jobs in USA any more. But can you ignore what contribution they make to the US economy? They contribute to 12 % of the income.

What is the big deal if a few a looking for some part time jobs?

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How can int’l students contribute 12% of the US economy, when ALL educational services in the US make up only 1% of GDP?

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Don’t let facts get in the way of a good theory, GMTplus7.

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Turns out that someone has been studying the economic impact of international students: http://www.nafsa.org/Explore_International_Education/Impact/Data_And_Statistics/NAFSA_International_Student_Economic_Value_Tool/

NAFSA estimates the net contribution of international students (tuition + living expenses - support from US sources) at $30 billion, or about 0.2% of US GDP.

techis, please note this calculation subtracts support from US sources. This is indirectly saying that NAFSA considers the main benefit of foreign students to be money they bring into the country.

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@techis I have no clue where you got that statistics, but it is plain absurd. Your sense of entitlement is baseless.

International student do NOT pay more than domestic students in most cases. The COA is only an estimate including SUMMER dormitory and meal plan, which many students do NOT pay for because they either have homes in the US or just go back to their home country during summer. So, it depends on their decisions.

For private schools, the tuition and course fee are NOT more expensive for international students. State schools? You pay for tuition as much as other doemstisc OOS students pay. Other costs are same. No one is going to force you to stay in the US for summer

So, don’t complain. As @GMTplus7 said a while ago, US schools are not run by UN.

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@techis Do you have any idea about the amount of the US GDP?
0.12 * 18 * 10^12 = 2.16 * 10^12.
If that was the case, int’l students could create a country with a Per capita GDP of more than 2,000,000 $. I will leave the analysis of this number to you.
But more importantly, what you are suggesting reminds me of a Persian proverbs : Why donate a lamp that you can use to the mosque?
Similarly, why should America take jobs from her own people and give them to int’ls when the US is in no danger of losing its appeal as a student destination?

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Please go through http://www.nafsa.org//file//eis2014/usa.pdf

Some highlights
Net Contribution to U.S. Economy by Foreign Students in 2013-14 and their Families: $26,792,000,000
Net Contribution to U.S. Economy by Foreign Students’in 2013 -14 Dependents: $442,000,000
Net Jobs Created/Supported in the State Economy by Foreign Students and their Families: 340,007

What is so bad about it? In 2016 the figure might have increased. Internationals pay more because they pay OOS fees and also do not get financial aid which the local students get (which is understandable).

Another report says: http://www.iie.org/Research-and-Publications/Open-Doors/Data/Economic-Impact-of-International-Students

"In 2015, the continued growth in international students coming to the U.S. for higher education had a significant positive economic impact on the United States. International students contributed more than $30.5 billion to the U.S. economy, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce.

Open Doors 2015 reports that 72 percent of all international students receive the majority of their funds from sources outside of the United States, including personal and family sources as well as assistance from their home country governments or universities."

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4102.0Main+Features20Dec+2011

The international education sector is important not only to Australian society, but also the country’s economy. International education activity contributed $16.3 billion in export income to the Australian economy in 2010–11.

Point taken. It cannot be contribution to US economy it can be contribution to export income. Trying to get the data for USA. Just enclosing an article of what impact it had for Australia in 2010-11 (must have increased now)

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4102.0Main+Features20Dec+2011

The international education sector is important not only to Australian society, but also the country’s economy. International education activity contributed $16.3 billion in export income to the Australian economy in 2010–11.

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@techis First and foremost, $30 billion is not 12% percent of the US economy. it is 0.15%
But as I said, the US is not going to lose their appeal as a student destination. As you said yourself, the students are bringing their funds from other countries to the US. Why change that? What purpose would that serve, when the students are already doing all they can to study in the US despite being unable to work their way through?

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For your information worldwide defense trade is a USD 64 billion market in 2016. If international students contributed 30 billion in 2013 (which is perhaps more now) it is a very good contribution.

Please read

http://trade.gov/07B3930F-C88A-4E87-987A-EF0D61756F53/FinalDownload/DownloadId-7762DBACE34A0D36719020FC448F79CB/07B3930F-C88A-4E87-987A-EF0D61756F53/topmarkets/pdf/Education_Top_Markets_Report.pdf

Suggestions given on page 9)

“Current Government Actions Supporting U.S. Exports of Education : The U.S. Government should support exports of higher education as these contributed $27 billion to the U.S. economy in 2013 and are a substantial economic driver for many college and university towns and metropolitan areas. These programs should coordinate closely with private sector efforts to ensure efforts are not duplicated.”

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@Soheils

I have already agreed that it cannot be part of GDP. It is more likely part of export income.

If Presidents and Prime ministers are running all over the world to compete in the defense trade which is a USD 64 billion market today, 30 billion plus from education must be a huge amount.

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@techis I can not access the webpage you have provided, possibly due to my Iranian IP.
You are misunderstanding what I am saying. I do not doubt that the Education Exports is a highly valuable market. But the $30 Billion is money they bring from outside of the US, And that number will grow for years to come, since the situation ensures that, other than those who get into 100% need colleges, others are expected to come with deep pockets. That is the ideal situation for the US economy.
The ability to work through will only encourage low income students to lie on their Certificates of Finances with the hopes of earning money in the United States, which I doubt is what the US government wants. I may be wrong.
In other words, the Ideal situation for the US would be to give the jobs to their citizens, while attracting wealthy students from around the world who do not need to work to pay for their education. That is currently happening.

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$30 billion divided by $19 trillion GDP is equal to about 0.15% of the US economy. Even waste services contributes 3% of the US economy (20x more).

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@GMTplus7 The US president travels world over and lobbies to compete for USD 64 billion market defense trade market. If 30 billion is .15% of the US GDP then simple math says 64 billion will be close to .31%. This no doubt with your understanding will be negligible. Perhaps he is wasting time.

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@Soheils You have hit the nail on the head. What is good for US is happening. So why are people grumbling?

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@GMTplus7 - But if you consider how much % 30 billion or 60 billion is of the total export income it is a huge percentage.

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Trying to stay out of the contentious (entitlement) aspects of this discussion:
I think that international students should be allowed to have an off campus part time job along the lines of what Canada used to do, ie., after a GPA has been established, with number of hours limited and tied to the GPA. This wouldn’t count for overall budget but does allow for better integration into society and earning pocket money which would typically be used in the college town anyway. (No one can finance their college studies on 8-10 hours of work per week.) I think such a policy would be win-win. If there aren’t enough jobs, then it’s unlikely the international students would have priority anyway.