<p>Hey guys, </p>
<p>if your an international student who most needs need-based financial aid of like 40k+, and don't apply for it, would the chances of getting in be higher?</p>
<p>if so how much higher lol?
does any1 know any personal experiences, or experiences of their friends etc. about this
thanks a lot guys</p>
<p>thats 40k a year btw</p>
<p>wont they see ur financials later?</p>
<p>I did the same thing in fear that it will decrease my chances D:
if they see our financials sooner or later, is it before or after they make a decision? gah T_T</p>
<p>after ofc…they never asked for the financials with the app</p>
<p>I made it obvious that I’d qualify for a full scholarship throughout my application.
I’m pretty sure they’d look at it before, and have a thought about it at the back of their heads, when deciding to admit or not.</p>
<p>but then how are you giong to afford even if u do get in?</p>
<p>well i saw somewhere specifically that once you’re admitted without finaid… they dont give you financial aid if you decide to come there and say u need it</p>
<p>Ya I’m an international student and I applied for aid.</p>
<p>If I didn’t apply for aid and got in, I wouldn’t be able to go anyway. I don’t want to get into Stanford just for bragging rights or whatever…</p>
<p>Err, you can’t just evade the whole system - you’ll end up being admitted and not having the financial support to matriculate. Did you tick the “not applying for financial aid” box at the start of the common app? </p>
<p>You can’t tell them after you’re admitted that you need financial aid because your financial status factors into the decision. This is the case for international students only, which is unfortunate.</p>
<p>Yeah I was well aware that unlike other places, once u get there (stanford) you cant ask for financial aid, especially at Stanford. I was fully-aware of this.</p>
<p>I’m pretty sure they have loan programs right? the school itself…
oh btw, I’ll be having other scholarships helping me pay off some of the debt if I get in. </p>
<p>but yeah, have you seen any1 in my position before? mind posting their rough stats?</p>
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<p>I didn’t say I need FA (even if I do) because it will affect my decision and there are plenty of private scholarships I can apply to, and there’s always loans… D:</p>
<p>I’m in your position. I decided to apply for financial aid because I realized that even if I got in, I wouldn’t be able to afford to go. I really don’t want to come out of Stanford with like 100 k in loans.</p>
<p>My guess is that this probably limits my chances of getting in 
but you have to be realistic about what you can/cannot pay for. Also, I’m from Canada and a lot of Canadian scholarships are only tenable at Canadian universities… so… : ( I’m not sure if there are outside scholarships in the U.S. geared towards Canadian/International students. I doubt there are very many …</p>
<p>Also, I think if you apply as an international who does not require financial aid, you have significantly better chances of getting in… maybe even more so than u.s. citizens. This is because Stanford is a university and universities are businesses that need to make money. And having a foreign self-supporting student= 50k/year completely unsupported by Stanford. It’s great business. really.</p>
<p>your right. universities are businesses.
Do you guys think that other schools think the same way? even if they say that they are need-blind but in reality they are not.</p>
<p>like my aunt at Princeton told me that of course they’re gonna keep it at the back of their heads when applying for financial aid. but meh, like would it be the same to applying to harvard/princeton/ the 6 schools w/o financial support in comparison to stanford?</p>
<p>like stanford tells you straight up if your an international and want financial aid its very very competitive, but the other school dont (HYPcolumbia/etc). but like wont they be technically profiting off of me anyways?</p>
<p>I still have to do more research on it though, like grad school is important, but like I dont want to come out of 4 yrs having a lot of money to pay back, unless I win the lottery or something. Um, this might be a stupid question, but are there scholarships and those type of things you can apply to once your in university? </p>
<p>please shed your input on this matter from people who you guys know that have been in this position. thanks a lot!</p>
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The international need-blind schools are truly need-blind. The admissions department and financial aid department are completely separate. International students are allowed to apply for aid at any time in the process (including after being admitted) Hence, those schools are equally competitive for those-needing-aid and those-not-needing-aid.</p>
<p>Stanford, on the other hand, is much more competitive for international students who need aid. Those who need aid are considered separately, and decisions are made depending on how much Stanford wants the student vs. how much aid he needs.</p>
<p>Source: International student who has done extensive research into US college apps, and advises international student seniors on college applications.</p>
<p>Well since your an expert on this stuff, how would Stanford go about accepting an international student without aid?</p>
<p>Like would they take him or her if their stats were low?, if their stats were average?, and since you have been counseling seniors, has this situation come across before to you? where they took a student whose grades werent as a high that applied to financial aid.</p>
<p>lol, all in the sense that the student was international btw. not american.</p>
<p>does anyone have international statistics on Stanford and financial aid stats too 
I looked all over for them but havent found any.
thanks everybody.</p>
<p>International students who don’t apply for aid are held to equally high standards as American students. They do not cut slack. All the internationals accepted to Stanford, that I know, are excellent students. The five accepted (three are attending) from my HS last year are:</p>
<p>(1) First award at ISEF, published paper
(2) First award at ISEF, published paper
(3) Participated in major Firefox development
(4) Student body president, presented at international conference
(5) RSI, medal at international science olympiad</p>
<p>As you can see, Stanford has high admissions standards. I would describe the situation NOT as ''easier for international who don’t need aid" BUT ''much more difficult for internationals who need aid".</p>
<p>Other than the Ivy Leagues, which I know are need-blind, what are some other universities/colleges which are willing to give good aid to international students?</p>