Intro Classes

<p>To all the current Rice Students:
As a incoming student, I was wondering how difficult the intro classes for the science are (like what are the curves and class sizes). Specifically, I was wondering Chem 121/122 (Gen Chem), BioC 201 (Intro to Bio) and Psych 101 (Intro to Psych), the Intro to Poly Sci and Sociology classes are. So if anyone has taken these classes, I was wondering if you can share your experience.
I'm wondering which classes I should take together for freshman year (yeah I'm really proactive). I'm undecided on my major so that's why I was looking at these intro classes. I have AP credits for many of these classes but I'm most likely going to forgo all of them because I don't want to miss out on any info and I want to review before jumping into higher level classes.
Note, I'm not a premed--I'm more oriented toward research (going for Ph.D). One of the reason I chose Rice was because of its wonderful research in both social and life science.</p>

<p>Many thanks!</p>

<p>You may be able to get some advice on these classes here, but keep in mind that during o-week you’ll get very specific advice, tuned to your background and potential major(s), one-on-one with an advisor (or two). So, though there’s no harm in researching this, there’s also no need to decide now.</p>

<p>I would recommend taking it easy as well. O-Week will give you a chance to meet with advisers and students of different majors. </p>

<p>Finally, don’t worry about curves and what grades people get. Pick the classes based on your major and what you want to do</p>

<p>While I agree with both BerkeleyMom and Antarius, I don’t think it will do too much harm for current students to share a little insight. </p>

<p>The thing about Gen Chem and Intro Bio is that the professors will most likely change by the time you matriculate, and therefore the class organization will be different. Dr. Hutchinson has been a long-time professor of both semesters of gen chem, but because of how busy he is with his new position as the Dean of Undergrads, he will not be teaching gen chem anymore. Dr. Hutchinson’s last semester of teaching was this past fall (fall '10), and now another professor (Dr. Weisman) has taken up teaching the second semester. While the second semester seems to be somewhat similar in class policies to the first (e.g. both gen chem semesters grade based on flat point values, not a curve), it’s too early to tell how similar/different Dr. Weisman’s class will be in regards to grading policies, test styles, and such . And there’s no telling who will be teaching gen chem next year and what their class will be like, so any info a current gen chem student could give may not be relevant later on.</p>

<p>The same goes for Intro Bio. Dr. Gustin, a long-time professor of Intro Bio (and - correct me if I’m wrong - the only professor), is going to be abroad next year doing research, and someone else will be teaching the intro bio class. I don’t know what the class sizes or grading policies will be for next year’s class.</p>

<p>However, I’m pretty sure one thing is going to remain the same despite any changes to class structure: the competition is going to be pretty cutthroat. The intro science courses are going to be tough anywhere, really. It’s not uncommon to see pre-meds (and many students of other majors/academic tracks) studying 10 and more - I’m not kidding - hours a day to earn the few A+s given to the top students in gen chem/bio. If you want to do exceptionally well in any class (especially the intro sciences), be prepared to use time wisely, stay up late (because there is often much more studying to do than can be done just during the daytime), and know your priorities. </p>

<p>One thing I do suggest strongly (and Antarius and others may disagree, but I have my reasons) is looking over the courses you would like to take and making multiple possible schedules you would like to have before you even step foot onto Rice. As in, make schedules A, B, C, and D, just in case you don’t get into a class you’d like to have (which is often the case for freshmen students). Don’t wait for O-week and the academic advising during O-week to do this. Here are some reasons why:</p>

<p>1) You hardly have time for anything other than O-week activities during O-week. One of the things I was unhappy with the general O-week experience was how little time was given for students to look at the courses offered and make their schedules during O-week if they hadn’t already done so before coming to campus. At least in my O-week experience, we were introduced to the resources for making a schedule on one of the earlier days of the week and were told that registration was in two or three days. For the next two days, however, we hardly got any time to plan our schedules and usually went to bed exhausted at midnight. If anyone wanted to plan their schedule, they would have to stay up late (despite being already exhausted) and try to figure it out. It was pretty frustrating having so little time during the day to devote to something so important. There were only a few hours dispersed here and there for academic planning, but that isn’t nearly enough (imho) time. Even though I had made a rough outline (or two) of what classes I would like (with the times scheduled as well) before O-week, I still had a hard time getting my schedule ready for registration (because of unforeseen obstacles such as filled up classes, changed time slots, etc). I would advise incoming students to come prepared if they want a smoother (and less stressful) O-week experience.</p>

<p>2) Academic advising tells you to have a schedule planned before you come to the one-on-one session anyway. During O-week, you will indeed have academic advising and peer advising (upperclassmen tell you what some of the classes are like, etc), but it’s only valuable if you’ve already done the bulk of the work and know how you want your schedule to potentially look like. It will save you a lot of time during O-week (where time is precious and sleep is little) to have done this already.</p>

<p>3) While it’s usually helpful to talk to upperclassmen about their experiences as a certain major (to get ideas for your own), a lot of times it really isn’t helpful. Your experiences will be different from theirs, and your professors may not even end up being the same (see Dr. Hutchinson and Dr. Gustin example above). Not to mention that all the upperclassmen I’d asked about their majors gave vague answers that didn’t really give me a feel for what it’s like to study that particular field. It’s really up to you to explore where you may be interested, and upperclassmen can point out some classes that may guide you in doing this. Keep in mind that you don’t really know how well these upperclassmen did in these classes, and don’t assume all the peer advisors are fantastic (or even good) students because <strong>not all of them are.</strong> Depending on the level of success the upperclassmen peer advisor has had in a certain course, their evaluation of that course could differ (sometimes significantly). Don’t rely on the peer advisors and their word too much.</p>

<p>I am aware that many people don’t think of their schedules until O-week, and that is completely fine. However, a little preparation can go a long way and give you more time to fine-tune your schedule. I’m not saying everyone (or even anyone) needs to heed what I have listed above. This post is just my personal experiences concentrated down to some advice to anyone who is willing to take it.</p>

<p>Wow the.walnut, that was a very insightful and comprehensive post. I’m so glad that Rice has helpful students like you. I will be sure to take you advice on planning multiple schedules.
Also, thank you BerkeleyMom and Antarius for your thoughtful comments.</p>

<p>You are very welcome. </p>

<p>Believe me, your initiative is going to get you far. Keep it. :)</p>

<p>As a current Rice student, I can assure you to not worry about this scheduling garbage so early. I felt that there was more than ample amount of time during O-Week to plan schedules A, B, C, etc. Plus, the majority of students “shop around” for classes during the first two weeks of classes before finalizing on the courses to ride out for the semester. Right now, just look forward to O-Week!</p>

<p>There will definitely be different approaches to scheduling and different kinds of students. I wrote the above post with my experiences as an incoming pre-med freshman in mind and wanted to offer advice based on my experiences (i.e. there hadn’t been enough time, for me at least, during O-week). I didn’t want to be “shopping around” for up to two weeks while assignments, readings, and homework were building up and I couldn’t make up my mind about what to take. I guess I just wanted to get down to studying for my classes as soon as possible and not have to worry about what classes I was taking after O-week ended.</p>

<p>Also, I found out that a lot of people around my college had planned out their schedules before O-week, or at least had a general outline of what they’d like to take. But I see what sanman111 is saying. It is rather early to be doing this in January – the summertime would be better. :)</p>

<p>The walnut: you keep using the word “cutthroat” as in

My kids never found it cutthroat - (definition of cutthroat: Relentless or merciless in competition, noun: an unprincipled or ruthless person.) When I hear the word “cutthroat”, I think of kids sabotaging others’ work, or not collaborating with each other… and that’s not the experience my kids had at Rice. They did say that there were/are some seriously focused grinds, who work really hard - but my kids did okay with a more balanced approach to their education.</p>

<p>I agree with anxiousmom; the.walnut seems to be using a slightly weird definition of “cutthroat”.</p>

<p>Second that as well. I have stayed up long after finishing my own assignment to help others in my class and they all have done the same in turn. That being said, Rice does have competition. Don’t expect someone to hand over their assignment to copy from. You are expected to do your own work and know the material, but people will be there to help.</p>

<p>Cutthroat in my mind is where people purposely withhold information, sabotage each other and find every single way to do better than everyone else. Here, it is quite the opposite. Everyone seems content to help each other in the quest to get an A. </p>

<p>I have to strongly disagree with the.walnut in this case. Rice is very relaxed. Most professors will let you join a full class with a special registration form. None of the important major required classes will be so full you cannot take them. Rice is a great university, but a university nonetheless. It is a place to learn, learn from you mistakes and have new experiences. Not a bootcamp - and this is why I think having multiple backup schedules , for example, is serious overkill</p>

<p>As a psych major (since you mentioned Psyc 101) don’t forgo AP Psyc credit. There’s absolutely no reason to take PSYC 101 if you’ve taken AP Psyc. You learn basically the same things more in depth in the two 200 level classes (Intro to Social and Intro to Cognitive Psyc) and they are more enjoyable (and less work from what I’ve heard of Psyc 101). Just my 2 cents</p>

<p>Kudos to you for being proactive. O-Week is very helpful, but it is easy to get caught up in the fun stuff and leave your schedule planning until the last minute. I would STRONGLY advise you not to forgo your AP credit. Neither the intro Chem or Biology are particularly cutthroat (I don’t know where he gets that), but as a non-premed, you likely will not be in those classes for the same reasons as 99% of your classmates. Do yourself a favor and take the 200/300 level courses in what interests you.</p>

<p>Intro Bio uses Campbell and Reece (same book as most AP Bio classes), Intro Chem is nothing new to someone whose had AP chem, and I used my AP credit for Psych.</p>

<p>As an addendum:</p>

<p>While I did notice a few of my peers studying into the wee hours of the night at Fondren, none of the Intro Science classes are particularly strenuous. Organic Chemistry with Tour is an entirely different beast, however.</p>

<p>Haha, I guess I should have clarified my definition of “cutthroat.” My apologies. </p>

<p>My definition is more similar to “intense,” and even this definition needs a little more explanation. I am a second semester Rice freshman, and I was aiming for an A+ in all my core sciences (chem & bio) and math for the first semester (and did end up achieving this). That’s why I said the competition (the unspoken part was “for the A+”, especially in Dr. Gustin’s biology, where only the top 5% of the enrolled 200 students get that grade) was intense. Sorry for any confusion. </p>

<p>(Btw, by “competition,” I mean the “who studies more” kind of competition, not the “let’s be hostile” kind :slight_smile: )</p>

<p>And I agree that Rice in general has a friendly, collaborative environment. I guess I was mostly thinking about my biology study group, where there were instances of information withholding. Haha, maybe I should seek less competitive colleagues? :P</p>

<p>Thanks to the above posters for allowing me to realize my definition is probably not the same as others’. :)</p>

<p>Haha… yeah. I have heard about cutthroat at UC Berkeley where people were sabotaging each other etc. Don’t know if they are old wives tales, but yikes.</p>

<p>As the.walnut clarified, Rice is intense in many ways. Just because you got in, you cannot stroll out with a 4.0. Doing well takes work and it takes competing for the top spot. </p>

<p>In my experience, the lower level classes are more like that. When you get to upper level classes such as senior chemE classes, everyone who does the work, puts in effort and has a good grade can and will get an A. They do not curve down to give x% A’s. The same goes with CAAM courses. a 97% and up is an A+ and a 90-97 is an A. If the whole class gets in that range, then everyone walks out with an A.</p>

<p>How is the calculus based physics course. D took physics B placement as a junior? Does that even do anything for you? Now that she has taken calculus, should she take the physics c test as a senior? Already accepted at Rice!</p>

<p>Um, that really depends on what your daughter plans to do with physics. Is she jus trying to get a requirement out of the way, or is he interested in studying a physics-related field?</p>

<p>engineering, loves physics by the way.</p>

<p>Sounds like a student who would probably want to take some physics classes in college anyway. I usually recommend against students trying to jump right into second-year physics, so I would say it won’t make much difference whether she takes the AP test or not.</p>