<p>Is gaining admission at Cornell harder for international student than it is for US citizens</p>
<p>yes... but this is true of nearlly all universities</p>
<p>even for private universities?</p>
<p>yup even for private.</p>
<p>arent they suppose to promote diversity or something?</p>
<p>the US is made up of diverse people. There are many US citizens from foreign countries. Also diversity means people from different regions (in the US) and social status. Simply, US is very diverse. Colleges look for people from different social status, ethnicity, etc. Students from diverse backgrounds can all be easliy be found in the US.</p>
<p>so does being international make a big difference in admission? I am pretty sure I can get hold of a green card since my relatives are US citizens, but then i wouldnt bother if it makes so little difference in the admission process</p>
<p>1.) Being Int'l makes a difference at Cornell. For chances of admission are lower because only some 8% of the class each year is int'l and face it...there's just too much competition from a lot of great students.</p>
<p>2.) It affects your chances of financial aid significantly and greatly. Int'l are not guranteed need-based aid, unlike their American counterparts.</p>
<p>3.) Getting a green card will make not much difference for your admission.</p>
<p>"Getting a green card will make not much difference for your admission."</p>
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<li>if international admission is so much harder, then why is getting a green card not make much of a difference?</li>
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<p>PS: I am not looking finaid or scholarship</p>
<p>Well it depends a lot on where you're from. If you're from a country like South Korea or India, where the pool is both big and tough, then it is much harder, but if you're from a underrepresented country then it could well work to your advantage, I think.</p>
<p>I am from Thailand, but i have both Swiss and Thai passports. So does gettin a green card increase my chance of admission?</p>
<p>anonymous, if you have swiss citizenship, then your chances of admission get much better than the average intel applicant's. Actually, if you are not looking for finaid and you apply as a swiss citizen, I strongly believe that you have better chances of admission than the average (status-wise) US applicant at need-aware universities; this certainly goes for Penn, for instance.</p>
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I strongly believe that you have better chances of admission than the average (status-wise) US applicant
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<p>NO.</p>
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if you have swiss citizenship, then your chances of admission get much better than the average intel applicant's.
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<p>YES.</p>
<p>I don't see how having (or not having) a green card would have any bearing on your application.</p>
<p>If you have stellar grades, test scores, and ECs, then of course you have a good (never great) chance at Cornell. The real issue will be financial aid. If you apply for FA, then it seems that your chances go down. Still, it's not impossible.</p>
<p>One thing internationals need to know before they apply for FA: most Americans can't afford these schools, either. Unless there is another child in college, colleges expect us to pay 1/3 to 1/2 of our yearly salary toward college, even though it's impossible for us to do. Considering that taxes eat up 1/3 to 1/2 of our salaries, that's the equivalent of saying that the rest of the family must live on nothing while we put a child through school. We are expected to take out loans. So . . . if your parents have decent salaries and have some savings, don't expect that you'll qualify for enough aid to come to the US. Free rides are rare for Americans unless they apply a tier or two below their good fit schools.</p>
<p>Make sure you apply to a range of schools in addition to Cornell. Research the schools that are generous toward international students and make sure you apply to some of them as well.</p>
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<p>ASP, in case you carefully read my previous post, read on. Otherwise reread my previous post.</p>
<p>ASP, have you ever taken a look at a greater international applicant pool at a larger university?
Take Penn, for instance. This year at Penn there were intels who got accepted even from overrepresented countries with SATs of about 1910-1950 and no spectacular other stats. Why were they accepted? They were self-financed. The average Penn applicant, including the domestic ones had SAT ranges well above 2000 (actually closer to 2100). The US applicants that got accepted to Penn ED with SATs below 2000 had huge hooks, such as owning companies,being recruited athletes or being INTEL/SIEMENS (semi)finalists.</p>
<p>Oh, I just realized that I did not mention before that what I said applies primarily to ED applicants, as the money that self-financed intels would bring will certainly end up at that university.</p>
<p>maxy,
Firstly, UPenn admissions are weird. If you can pay, your chances are high. They also mention it in their prospectus that asking for financial aid WILL lower your chancesw as an int'l. They key issue there is "SELF-FINANCING" and i presume that u agree.
At Cornell, things are different. Asking for aid has no bearing on your chance of admittance...they are need-bling for int'ls. If yor good, u'll be admitted. But, they DO NOT gurantee you aid. I hope you get the difference. </p>
<p>Also, int'l admissions at Cornell... as i mentioned in a post in Int'l forum, is proportional to no. of applicants from the country. But, if your from a grossly underrepresented country with decent stats, that will work in your favour...but not so much that your chnces are more than the US Residents themselves...that will never happen.</p>
<p>So to conclude, asking for NO aid and being from Switzerland will boost ur chances, but it will nerer be more than that of a US resident with similar stats.</p>
<p>I completely agree with what you said in your last post, BUT my initial post was:
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Actually, if you are not looking for finaid and you apply as a swiss citizen, I strongly believe that you have better chances of admission than the average (status-wise) US applicant at need-aware universities
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As you can see, I was referring to need-aware universities, and not need-blind universities, such as Cornell.</p>
<p>maxy, oh yeah...k, didn't see that need-aware part.</p>
<p>btw OP, getting green-card won't have much difference inj ur chances. I just checked with an US counsellor here.</p>
<p>is this only for cornell? can you check for carnegie mellon too since these two are my first choices..</p>
<p>thx a load guys!</p>
<p>i will...
anonamous, do uneed aid.
CMU gives NO aid to int'ls...i ts their policy.</p>