<p>I though it was unitl i read this on the Rutgers website today. It is explaining how Rutgers is a public Ivy...</p>
<p>"Chartered in 1766 as Queens College, Rutgers is one of the original nine colonial colleges and is distinctively recognized as the eighth oldest institution of higher education in the nation. Today, seven of the nine colonial colleges (Harvard, Yale, Princeton , University of Pennsylvania , Columbia , Brown, and Dartmouth ) are private and two (William & Mary and Rutgers ) are public. The seven private colonial colleges are members of the Ivy League and the two public colonial colleges are now known as "public ivies.</p>
<p>they say the seven private are ivies, but what about cornell? are there 8 or 7 ivies?</p>
<p>Like filmxoxo17 said, Cornell is an Ivy league school. The Ivy league wasnt actually founded based on academics or anything, but in fact it started as a sports league.</p>
<p>Haha...there isn't any official designation of "Public Ivy;" if there was one, however, Rutgers would definitely not be on it (if you consider Ivy like most people do today-institutions of academic excellence). Just because Rutgers says they're "a public Ivy" does not mean they are anything close to a real Ivy; don't believe a school's propaganda.</p>
<p>The Ivy League has nothing to do with academics-it was founded as an athletic conference among 8 top schools: Cornell, Columbia, Dartmouth, Brown, Yale, Princeton, Harvard, and Penn. It just so happened that these were 8 of the best schools in the country, so the term Ivy League also became associated with academic excellence as well.</p>
<p>The term "public ivy" is used to describe an outstanding public college. "ivy caliber" often refers to a top school that is not one of the actual eight. neither of these are an official designation of any league membership.</p>
<p>First of all, the Ivy League definitely has to do with academics (but moreso prestige). Just because the term was originally coined in reference to sports, takes nothing away from its current conotations--which among other things include academic excellence, and generally just being old. Moreover, when the term was coined back in 1934, it was purposely coined to include universities of high academic calliber. When the Ivy Group was formed in 1945 it formally brought together the sports teams of these universities--by then the formal affiliation was already secondary to the reputation of academic prestige in American culture.</p>
<p>Secondly, lots of people chose William and Mary and Rutgers over ivies because they are great schools. For smart people who live in Virginia or New Jersey, they are amazing options at a fraction of the cost.</p>
<p>damn, you cornell-ers need to calm down. i know that rutgers and will&mary aren't comparable to cornell. i just thought it was weird and didn't understand why rutgers failed to mention cornell as an ivy. and the term "public ivy" is only used to show how old the school is, not neccesarily that rutgers is an "ivy" in terms of academics. the passage from their website never really mentions that rutgers is as academically competive as the real ivies, it just says its as old as them. don't get your panties in a twist.</p>
<p>No, the term "public ivy" is misleading advertising because a) it implies a certain academic standard, and b) the ivy league was formed as an athletic conference; since Rutgers is not part of one that is referred to as "public ivy," it should not shamelessly say it is something it is not. Furthermore, calling itself a colonial college is ok because that term is generally understood to refer to the age of the school, but the Ivy league has no reference to age of a school at all (Cornell was founded in 1865, for example).</p>
<p>The Ivy Room at Willard Straight Hall ( Student Union ) has Large Crests of all Eight Ivy League Schools as decorations. Of course Cornell's emblem has the Position of Honor over the Fire Place.</p>
<p>i still think rutgers is totally wtf
and yes
it is misleading advertising...
and a logical fallacy some schools
are making to get more applicants</p>
<p>I am a Cornell student, and I can't believe you are even comparing rutgers and william and mary to Cornell - if you dont realize Cornell is an ivy then you should not be applying here....i mean if you are on this website..you obviouwsly clicked on Cornell under the Ivy link.....you have no right to speak if are questioning cornell as an ivy.</p>
<p>"you have no right to speak if are questioning cornell as an ivy"</p>
<p>holy crap you people need some weed. i know rutgers isn't anywhere near an ivy league school and that its false advertising. i just wanted to know why rutgers didnt metion cornell as an ivy. damn. </p>
<p>rutgers is a booty school and cornell rules all. are you guys happy now. i'm not even applying to cornell, even though its the easiest ivy to get into. just had a question about it and i thought the people in here would be mature enough to just answer it, and not throw a freakin hissy fit.</p>
<p>anyway, email me if you really want some weed...</p>
<p>...and i was joking about the "easiest ivy" thing, so no more "how dost thou dare insult Cornell" posts</p>