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<p>Caltech would be Level 2, IMO.</p>
<p>I don’t have Stanford on Level 1 with HYP primarily because its students’ average SAT scores are not as high.</p>
<p>And I don’t have MIT on Level 1 because it’s not quite as strong all-around as HYP.</p>
<p>Finally, I have Penn on Level 2 on the strength of Wharton. Otherwise I think they are more or less equal to Level 3.</p>
<p>Georgetown, like the Ivies, does not give merit aid. Rice & Duke do.</p>
<p>Level 1. HPYSM, they have too much $, you can’t move them with a bulldozer.
Level 2. CU, UC, Duke, Dart, UPENN, VU, NU, Wash U.
Level 3. Brown, Cornell, JHU, Rice, NDU, GU, Cal B, Emory</p>
<p>Up and coming: Stanford, Duke, Vandy, Rice, Wash U, NU
A bit long in the tooth: JHU, Cornell, Brown, UPENN, GU, Emory</p>
<p>*Cal Tech left off list…it’s an engineering one on one tutoring and research center not a national university.</p>
<p>prezbucky</p>
<p>This top 20 list(US News) looks familiar for seniors searching for college ranking.
Thank you for your input. It is the most popular list around. It is a fact that many high school students and their parents choose the schools based heavily on this list, without knowing what the ranking is based on ( acceptance rate, endowment and some other factors that the schools can puposely do to boost this ranking). Students and their parents should also be considering other important factors, such as the location; the intended major; whether the school is a good fit…</p>
<p>Torveaux</p>
<p>You have made the point. Academically, there are schools that are just as good or better than HYPSM ( for certain programs) in the USA. </p>
<p>Ivymaniac</p>
<p>Prestige can be a negative factor for some students and their families. If it is not a good fit, you will always feel out of place in a world class prestigious institute. </p>
<p>Houseofcats</p>
<p>I agree – kids should choose based on fit. Things like size of student body, class size, location, specific program strength, activities, etc. In that sense, yes, the prestige differences on this elite list should be trumped by fit… every time.</p>
<p>Level 1: Harvard, Princeton, Yale
Level 2: MIT, Stanford, Columbia, UChicago, Penn
Level 3: Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Duke, Northwestern
Level 4: Washington U, Rice, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins, Emory</p>
<p>The problem with this list when considering Georgetown, is that it fails to account for the preeminence of its Walsh School of Foreign Service. This school has the size of a small college (about 1400 undergrads) and a reach into the tentacles of power in the world today on a level wholly equal to HYP. A school that is the alma mater of the Kings of Spain and Jordan, the foreign minister of China, and the US Senate majority whip and White house Chief of Staff is on a level with the very top institutions (not to mention being the alma mater of a recent US President and the longest serving Directgor of the CIA). Foreign Policy magazine has rated SFS’s international programs among the top 5 undergraduate schools for over six years.</p>
<p>Similarly, there is a second problem with this list and it relates to Notre Dame and the preeminence of its Mendzoa College of Business at the undergraduate level. Mendoza has the size of a small college (2000 undergrads) has been rated #1 by Business Week for five years running now, is the alma mater of the worldwide Chairman of KPMG, the Vice Chairman of General Electric and the Chairman of Bank of America. Mendoza is Wharton level in every way (and its superior in one of the two major national rankings) and should now be at Level 2 on this list.</p>
<p>If Georgetown and Notre Dame do a more focused branding of their two “jewels” they will be able to leverage the added selecitivity of each school to move higher in the overall university rankings.</p>
<p>Mendoza by no longer accepting transfers from within Notre Dame or other colleges is clearly doing this. Georgetown could do a lot more in its publications and websites etc. to communicate the true preeminence of its School of Foreign Service.</p>
<p>Georgetown is a very conservative institution. Their admission office( including non-sfs schools) requires/recommends
<p>If they change their application policy from the above. Easily, they can get as much as twice the number of application ( In return, they can have a large extra amount application fee, but they need to read and review twice the number of essays and applcation material, some from the non serious applicants)
This way , the acceptance rate ( think it is about 16% for class of 2018) can go down to a single digit.</p>
<p>it is interesting that the NY Times devotes an article to the popularity of Stanford versus Harvard when the real story in higher education of the last six to eight years has been the rise of the Catholics with Georgetown SFS ranked 1st in the world over Harvard and all comers and Notre Dame Mendoza ranked 1st in the nation over Wharton and all comers. As late as 1966, there were only four Catholic colleges that had so much as a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and to see these rankings today in Foreign Policy and Business Week is the remarkable and noteworthy change in higher education.</p>
<p>Harvard no doubt does have the most name recognition in thw world!</p>
<p>Georgetown is on the level of any top institution. SFS, McDonough are high</p>
<p>How about Georgetown College? </p>
<p>I think most of these arguments are fairly ridiculous and I am an SFS student. Basically, the way I look at it is that a Georgetown education from any of the schools, from SFS to NHS, will not close any doors for you. However, getting into the Top 3 Consulting Firms, Top I-Banks, and especially top Fellowships like the Rhodes, will not be as easy as if you were at HYP. They simply don’t keep as many spots open for Georgetown students, so it can be a little more challenging. Now if you want a government job or work in Federal Consulting (usually for Deloitte), you have a massive advantage because of the location and proximity to amazing internships that can be done during the year. Long story short, most people who are at Georgetown would have chosen HYP over Georgetown, and there is not anything wrong with that. But Georgetown does well for where it is and will open the same doors that those institutions will, you may just have to kill a few more rats along the way. </p>
<p>I agree most people would have chosen HYP over Georgetown due to the name recognition and a wilder spectrum of courses available at HYP. However, there is always a good number of waitlisted and rejected SFS kids, whose number one choice is Georgetown, ended up going to HYP and other ivies.</p>
<p>Georgetown is a high caliber, top notch school. Gaining admission to any high caliber school (including the Ivys) is a crap shoot, even for the most qualified candidates. So, it’s not like the “quality” of student at Georgetown is going to be all that different from an Ivy. A diploma from Georgetown is an exceptional accomplishment as much as one from any other top notch school. It’s up to you what you do with your degree and the motivation that you have. No school is going to give you that, it comes from within. </p>
<p>2forall</p>
<p>Agree.</p>
<p>For undergrads:</p>
<p>Tier 1: HYPSM Caltech
Tier 2: Columbia, Penn, Duke, Dartmouth
Tier 3: Brown, Georgetown, Chicago, Vanderbilt, JHU, Cornell, Rice</p>
<p>When seven percent of the US Senate and the heads of state of nations like Spain, and Jordan are alumni of Georgetown, the school is at whatever the highest level for universities happens to be.</p>
<p>HYPSMG?</p>
<p>I think what’s important is not what school you get into, but how you make use of your education and turn it into something meaningful that will make you successful in the long run…I think that HYPSM and Georgetown are all great schools</p>