Is it just me or is Conrell's reputation becoming more and more of a joke?

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That’s what i meant, yes. Now the interesting thing is that the ‘it’ part that you disregarded in your little apology could have been absent all together had you just deleted that part. I mean, why would you write something and then back track and apologize when you could have just not included that part in the first place?! It seems like you wanted to include it as a little bit of a passive-aggressiveness. </p>

<p>As to the first-hand experience, notice that it was in quotes (i’m guessing you didn’t see it) and are not my words if you remember–do you remember? Here’s a refresher

I was commenting on the fact that you neither denied nor accepted the accusations to having never stepped foot on campus and instead proceeded past it, ignoring it. Well, what experience do you have? </p>

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If you recall you said that you are “not without sins”; i was playing on that by representing the edit tool as a type of JChrist figure, you know, saving us from our sins. </p>

<p>In what way is Cornell unique in regards to underage-drinking? You don’t have an argument here. If you had read what i said, MIT had a kid die from alcohol poisoning, are you saying that that is completely different from kids being rushed to the hospital for alcohol poisoning? The only difference is one kid died, the others at cornell didn’t.
You qualified your critique because you said

Now let’s go through this. Did you say Cornell is being ridiculed? No… Did you say Cornell’s Greek life? No… You said Cornell’s educational system, and then proceeded to point out the flaws in recent news. </p>

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It’s called sarcasm and it was based on your comments where you say something and then retract it a sentence later with a little happy face or something else ■■■■■■■■ as if that erases what you just said.
How about you try to not just see words, but actually to comprehend them in the context they are given?</p>

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<p>Damn, your deep.</p>

<p>All the quotes kinda confuse me but i will respond as best as i can.</p>

<p>Firstly, yes!..i’ve been to Cornell about 7 times. I know 7 people that go there. Of which 4 people are in the greek system. Been on multiple tours, such a big campus so not everywhere. Met with the president, and the Cornell professor that wrote my AP Biology textbook :slight_smile: and those smiley faces are just away of saying that i’m a happy person and i’m not actually that serious about this. </p>

<p>You might be but i’m not, as conveying my argumentative thoughts in writing is not a hobby for me, rather, a habit.</p>

<p>Me not accepting nor rejecting what was said was because i figured the conclusion was drawn from mid air and wanted to point it out.</p>

<p>I didn’t get the whole of the ‘first’ post though. </p>

<p>What really confuses me is why there’s such a problem with me not deleting certain portions of my post?</p>

<p>I didn’t delete but retracted the thoughts in another post, is there a problem with that?</p>

<p>" It seems like you wanted to include it as a little bit of a passive-aggressiveness. "</p>

<p>possibly :smiley: </p>

<p>" If you recall you said that you are “not without sins”; i was playing on that by representing the edit tool as a type of JChrist figure, you know, saving us from our sins. "</p>

<p>haha…cool! got it!</p>

<p>" In what way is Cornell unique in regards to underage-drinking? You don’t have an argument here. If you had read what i said, MIT had a kid die from alcohol poisoning, are you saying that that is completely different from kids being rushed to the hospital for alcohol poisoning? The only difference is one kid died, the others at cornell didn’t.
You qualified your critique because you said "</p>

<p>No. What i meant by ‘unique’ was that ’ if’ (keyword) those were the only things you can hold against MIT or Yale (without research) then Cornell has a …how can i put this …huge number of issues compared to it’s counterparts. </p>

<p>" Now let’s go through this. Did you say Cornell is being ridiculed? No… Did you say Cornell’s Greek life? No… You said Cornell’s educational system, and then proceeded to point out the flaws in recent news. "</p>

<p>Yes, i did say cornells educational system. Programs Closing isn’t educational? and I " separated " the greek life if you understood well enough.</p>

<p>" It’s called sarcasm and it was based on your comments where you say something and then retract it a sentence later with a little happy face or something else ■■■■■■■■ as if that erases what you just said.
How about you try to not just see words, but actually to comprehend them in the context they are given? "</p>

<p>I actually don’t think it’s called ‘sarcasm’,(just an honest correction).I just said it was unnecessary to use the rhetoric device. and in no way do the smiley faces or something “■■■■■■■■” as you said erase what i said. As i said before, just shows that it’s still all cool, with me that is. This is nothing more than an educational debate to me. :smiley: Happens all the time!</p>

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<p>You seem very defensive and surprised by the reaction to your thread. Look at the title of the thread and ask yourself whether you think that is inflammatory or not - whether your title suggests “constructive criticism” or just a blind attack from an outsider. </p>

<p>Even if Cornell, hypothetically, wasn’t as strong as a previous period, its reputation would still not be “a joke”. </p>

<p>Completely unrelated to the topic, and just as a personal constructive criticism of my own, I would suggest you work on basic spelling and grammar if you want to get accepted and do well at Cornell or any institution at that level.</p>

<p>Anyway, I tried to help you out with a reasonable response and you chose to instead attack me for no reason, so good luck with everything. Hopefully you’ll find the right school for you through this process.</p>

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<p>To: applejack</p>

<p>" To the OP - I’d suggest you relax. There are a number of schools that are either genuinely improving or gaming the system to be at a higher level than they otherwise might. Cornell isn’t so much slipping as it is just not making a big leap. If you just look at USNWR as your barometer, it’s held out in the 10-15 range for decades with a few bursts upward.</p>

<p>In the end, this recession could be very good for the school. There are some programs that simply aren’t top notch and have needed to be cut for some time. A leaner, meaner Cornell with a more coherent structure to its programs is not inherently a bad thing and could position it to make a run in the future by having fewer but stronger programs.</p>

<p>btw - “decrement”? that’s a new one. "</p>

<p>You suggest i relax?..hmm. I don’t mean to sound disrespectful but you must think i’m trying to be ‘obnoxious’ by writing all this, or am i wrong?</p>

<p>Well, just to clear things up, i’m not. In all honestly, i really love Cornell. I’m not trying to be an d*** in any way but rather trying to reveal flaws that, although inevitable, are fixable.</p>

<p>Very good point about the recession/program thing. But it’s all a ‘could’.A chance. We’re not sure that it ‘will’ be a good thing for the college as much as we can see that it has already had a not so positive spin on it.</p>

<p>and yeah, decrement: Noun, the act of decreasing.</p>

<p>I attacked you in that post? I thought you were one of the very few ones who actually brought rationale to your posts. But i feel you think by saying…“hmm” or some other of my comments, i was trying to be rhetoric in some way. Well, i wasn’t.</p>

<p>I was also kind of expecting this reaction from most people. I’m just quite surprised by a number of posts because it showed me how people jump to conclusion after conclusion without any knowledge of what’s actually going on.</p>

<p>But you decide to attack me because you thought i was attacking you. </p>

<p>I should work on ‘basic’ grammar and spelling skills? Was that really necessary?</p>

<p>All in all, it all comes down to perception. Two people can see the title of this and draw two very different conclusions. </p>

<p>The difference would come down to one who reads the title, then writes and another who understands the tittle , then concludes.</p>

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<p>The type of people who qualify mindless and ignorant criticism without any rational support, the type of people who believe that they are ascertained a position of power for nothing more than the mere fact that they exist, the type of people who believes that the world exist to revolve around them, because who else would make an unjustifiable assertion by a subtle warrant of their own personalities? Who else besides sushibuffet is so self-involved?</p>

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<p>lol… you really expressed your feelings to say the least. Just chill out people. This is just all because ‘we’ love Cornell so much!</p>

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<p>Fasinro. You should take the time you spend on here and get some English grammar tutoring. I can’t believe you are actually from New York; or if you are a recent resident.
Seriously, it sounds like SNL “Two wild and Crazy Guys”</p>

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<p>If there was ever a thread that epitomizes what’s wrong with CC, this is the one. And I’m not just talking about the OP, but also about most of the responses. Bottom line: in the real world, no one cares whether Cornell (or any other Ivy, for that matter) ranks near the top or the bottom of the spectrum of elite universities and most folks don’t allocate much of their daily lives to thinking about Cornell (or any of the other Ivy League schools) at all. Guys, it’s just not THAT important. Go to the school that fits you best and makes you happy. Then go out into the real world and do well – that’s the real challenge, not celebrating that you got into a USNWR top 10 school instead of a top 50 school. Sheesh . .</p>

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<p>haha…what do you mean by you "can’t actually believe i’m from New York? (was born and raised here, not a recent resident). What’s your perception about the Big Apple?</p>

<p>And why wouldn’t you just correct my grammatical errors? There are all these comments about, ‘you need some English tutoring’ or ’ go get lessons’ but no one has pointed out why.</p>

<p>If you would point them out, i’ll be happy to consider taking lessons.</p>

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<p>I love how someone who is trying to degrade Cornell can’t even spell “Cornell” correctly lol</p>

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<p>" If there was ever a thread that epitomizes what’s wrong with CC, this is the one. And I’m not just talking about the OP, but also about most of the responses. Bottom line: in the real world, no one cares whether Cornell (or any other Ivy, for that matter) ranks near the top or the bottom of the spectrum of elite universities and most folks don’t allocate much of their daily lives to thinking about Cornell (or any of the other Ivy League schools) at all. Guys, it’s just not THAT important. Go to the school that fits you best and makes you happy. Then go out into the real world and do well – that’s the real challenge, not celebrating that you got into a USNWR top 10 school instead of a top 50 school. Sheesh . ."</p>

<p>^ I just love that post!</p>

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<p>" I love how someone who is trying to degrade Cornell can’t even spell “Cornell” correctly lol "</p>

<p>Who me?</p>

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<p>lol yes. it says Conrell in the title</p>

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<p>lol…^Nice find!..i wasn’t trying to degrade “Conrell” though.</p>

<p>and you didn’t highlight how i did spell “Cornell” correctly in all other 30 of my posts. </p>

<p>Doesn’t that qualify me to know how to spell it…Just a thought. :D</p>

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<p>You asked for it. Here’s what a simple re-read of your posts yielded in terms of grammar:
“for sometime now” - for some time now
“No to offend the Zeus’ and the Hephaestus’” - Not to offend Zeus and Hephaestus
“ignorant people can get at Cornell.” - can get into Cornell
“Cornell held a standard.” - Cornell had standards/Cornell held people to a standard?
“is that how shows an institutions total value?” - Is that how one shows an institution’s total value
“was that it’s reputation of prestige” - was that its reputation of prestige
"I merely just saw a correlation between schools of one perceived caliber and another. " - It’s not a correlation, it’s a similarity.
“i understand what your saying.” - I understand what you’re saying
“(your a great person by the way!)” - You’re a great person by the way
“Damn, your deep.” - Damn, you’re deep
“i was trying to be rhetoric in some way.” - There is no definition of rhetoric that fits this sentence.</p>

<p>Also, you keep making these grand claims as the victim. You say that
A) People aren’t reading what you are saying
B) People are coming up with conclusions without reading
C) That people who are reading just aren’t understanding and being ignorant</p>

<p>I can tell you I have personally read every single word in this thread. I am pretty sure I understand all of it. I understand your points and your counterpoints, and your arguments. You have contradicted yourself several times throughout this entire thread.</p>

<p>At one point I said “You have no first hand knowledge? No evidence?” And you tell me “I know people, I have visited, etc”</p>

<p>Someone else tells you “You have no first hand knowledge or evidence” And you say “So what?”</p>

<p>At one point you say “I am not talking about academics” and another point you say “I separated academics from other things”</p>

<p>So which is it? Throughout your entire scatterbrained train-of-thought mess, which is your true opinion?</p>

<p>Through this, though, I think that:
You either really don’t know how to read or you think so highly of yourself you absolutely cannot see how other people’s points could be correct.</p>

<p>Your blatant passive-aggressiveness doesn’t help either. Your smiley faces are nothing more than a snideful veneer and your defensiveness is simply a mechanism to help you cope with people calling you out on your ignorance.</p>

<p>But I’m sure you’re just going to tell me “You clearly didn’t read. You should try that. Re-reading is something I’m good at (just wanted to point that out). I don’t stand for ignorance. And you shouldn’t make conclusions after just reading the title.”</p>

<p>I am absolutely done trying to show you where you still need to learn. I am done with you cherry picking. And evading the questions. Or being insincere. Or passive-aggressive. I am just done.</p>

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<p>I went to Cornell… ya ever heard of it? I graduated in four years, I never studied once, I was drunk the whole time, and I sang in the a cappella group, Here Comes Treble.</p>

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<p>LOL…yes!..you didn’t read or understand much.</p>

<p>I said, ‘why’ i need lessons! Not what my errors were. After all, even the best of English majors make grammatical errors.</p>

<p>Grand claims?..hmmm</p>

<p>A) People aren’t reading what you are saying
B) People are coming up with conclusions without reading
C) That people who are reading just aren’t understanding and being ignorant</p>

<p>Are those my Grand claims?..that people aren’t actually reading everything or drawing conclusions from thin air!??</p>

<p>I and i’m sure you as well, have read most of the things on this thread.</p>

<p>" Someone else tells you “You have no first hand knowledge or evidence” And you say “So what?”</p>

<p>At one point you say “I am not talking about academics” and another point you say “I separated academics from other things” "</p>

<p>I never say “so what”. I asked if it was predetermined, which it clearly was. I have in fact been to Cornell and know so many current and graduates it’s hard to mention all of them.</p>

<p>And i admit, it’s pretty hard to keep track of every thought one conveys on this thread but i try my best.</p>

<p>" Through this, though, I think that:
You either really don’t know how to read or you think so highly of yourself you absolutely cannot see how other people’s points could be correct.</p>

<p>Your blatant passive-aggressiveness doesn’t help either. Your smiley faces are nothing more than a snideful veneer and your defensiveness is simply a mechanism to help you cope with people calling you out on your ignorance.</p>

<p>But I’m sure you’re just going to tell me “You clearly didn’t read. You should try that. Re-reading is something I’m good at (just wanted to point that out). I don’t stand for ignorance. And you shouldn’t make conclusions after just reading the title.” "</p>

<p>I don’t think highly of myself btw. Not that much.</p>

<p>And i’ve answered everyone who has attempted to call out my “ignorance” on this thread.</p>

<p>Not trying to dodge question nor am I giving anyone a reason to call me ignorant as i haven’t given any judgments based on the unknown.</p>

<p>" I am absolutely done trying to show you where you still need to learn. I am done with you cherry picking. And evading the questions. Or being insincere. Or passive-aggressive. I am just done. "</p>

<p>Then stop trying to show me where i need to learn. Because we all need to learn. I’ve realized several of flaws on this thread, even as i type and although i say this with a smile on my face :smiley: and try to admit them in agreement, it seems you don’t have the ability to interpret any emotions without the thought of one using a rhetoric device.</p>

<p>Ok, you know what, ask me 5 questions (if you wish) that you feel i have evaded. I will try my best not to evade them or be insincere or passive-aggressive. You don’t want smilie faces or any emotions, i will try not to use them when answering your questions. Are all your rules to answering questions done?</p>

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<p>thank you!</p>

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<p>“Many people, especially the intelligentsia and the social elite, view Cornell as somewhat of a joke.”</p>

<p>The “intelligentsia and the social elite”?</p>

<p>I LOVE IT.</p>

<p>I can just see some blowhard in a corduroy sports coat with leather elbow patches reading Proust, listening to Schoenberg and puffing away on a pipe.</p>

<p>Either that, or it sounds like an indictment from a Stalin show trial. </p>

<p>Oh, from the mouths of babes . . .</p>

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<p>People are still reading this drivel?</p>