<p>If I am going to be premed and a bio major, which school will offer the best opportunities for getting into medical school? I do not care about cost, environment, and others.
Thank you</p>
<p>No difference. Environment and quality of life will reflect in how well you do in school and that will make a big difference in med school admissions.</p>
<p>Quality of life is much better at Duke.</p>
<p>personally, i think JHU might be a bit better since it has a terrific med school. they might be a bit pre-disposed to admit more of their own undergrad students. but yeah, the difference otherwise is pretty negligible.</p>
<p>premed? bio? JHU definitely</p>
<p>I have two roommates who went to JHU. They joke that JHU pre-med is a big myth and that if they had been pre-med they'd never go there. WAYYYY too many pre-meds there and way too competitive with tons of grad deflation. If you are at the top you do well enough, but many are left in the dust (three kids from my high school went in as pre meds, two dropped it and one was told med school "migh not be the best route" by the JHU med school advisor.)</p>
<p>Duke by a landslide. More social, less pressure, better chance.</p>
<p>Academics about equal. Their football teams are about equal too.</p>
<p>Already posted this already but here it is again, note duke ranks higher in this list due to law school placements also but jhu is able to make it in the 20s solely based on med school placements
<a href="http://www.collegejournal.com/special/top50feeder.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.collegejournal.com/special/top50feeder.pdf</a>
Duke:
Accepted Seniors 3.63(Cum) 3.53(Sci) 33.2(mcat)
JHU:
Average science GPA of 3.51
Average nonscience GPA of 3.66
MCAT average of 29.7 (9.6 verbal, 9.9
physical sciences, 10.2 biological sciences, and a
P writing sample)
to destroy the rumor that jhu has deflation lol:
average class gpa=3.4-3.5 for sci/humanities
average class gpa=3.3-3.4 for engineering </p>
<p>so overall, duke is still doing extremely well in med school acceptances also so it really depends on where you want to be at=D</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins enrolled 19 students from the undergraduate school. The total enrollment was a meager 110, and 19/110 = 17%, greatest percentage from any undergraduate college. So statistic-wise, one can say JHU may prefer its own admits, but in reality, it's that JHU prepares its students extremely well for med school. </p>
<p>And others...read the original post...the OP clearly doesn't care about the social scene, pressure, blah blah blah...</p>
<p>However, the grade deflation is true. I've read somewhere that when grad schools are looking at JHU GPAs, they add some certain percentage to it or something like that...But I don't know where this "less pressure" thing is coming from...any top school has this for students who are suddenly shocked that they aren't as doing well as they did in high school. As for social issues, that's a personal matter, it's not the school's fault if you're anti-social.</p>
<p>I'm not sure JHU has more pre-meds. Last year 46% of Duke's entering class indicated an interest in pre-med. Pre-meds anywhere are usually pretty competitive people.</p>
<p>They're actually somewhat similar, and many people apply to both (including me). They both have a lot of research opportunities for undergrads, and the academics are roughly the same. One thing I didn't like about JHU is that you have to live off campus your junior and senior years, but Duke's Central Campus isn't much better. JHU also has the advantages of an intersession, Baltimore, several unique science majors (e.g. biophysics), and looser distribution requirements.</p>
<p>Apply to both and decide once (if) you get in.</p>
<p>grad/professional schools account for deflation that i am certain...every book states it lol...kaplan, etc. etc. but i wouldn;t really quite say jhu has deflation w/ a 3.4-3.5 average for sci/humanities lol =D but cool if that's deflation and if grad/professional schools want to see that as deflation so much the better =D
i would say go to duke if you are more interested in law; jhu tends to do worse in that area than duke</p>
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i would say go to duke if you are more interested in law; jhu tends to do worse in that area than duke
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Not really. As I recall, Hopkins sends 98% of pre-law students to law school. They have a great Ancient Law minor. :D Looking at sites like Harvard Law can be deceiving because you don't know how many students from each school applied.</p>
<p>i think most prelaw students there are IR majors w/o having an ancient law minor lol =D but anyhow...i'm just saying jhu tends to do a bit better in med school placements than duke; however, duke tends to do better in law placements than jhu so it really depends on what the op wanted to pursue =D</p>
<p>JHU doesn't require Juniors/Seniors to live off campus anymore with its opening of Charles Commons. I heard everyone who requested housing got it, but it may change in later years.</p>
<p>^
Whoa, I didn't know that. My (apparently outdated) info was from when I applied two years ago, and ~54% lived on campus then. They'd just had two student murders that year, so people were nervous about living off campus. :p</p>
<p>Hopkins has done a lot to step up security in the past few years. Also, Charles Commons is a brand new residential/commercial building just across the street from the Eisenhower Library, accomodating close to 600 upperclass students in suites of singles. On the first two floors of the building are a Barnes and Noble bookstore and a Starbucks. It looks like pretty plush living to me!</p>
<p>I lived a few blocks south of there in a rowhouse "back in the day". I am actually surprised to read on the boards about the apprehension regarding safety in the neighborhood. Having grown up in a boring suburb of central New Jersey, one of the best parts of my college experience was getting to know a real city - travelling by bus, visiting neighborhoods, going to the markets and festivals, etc. I don't ever remember feeling unsafe - have things changed that much?</p>
<p>Duke has the advantage.</p>
<p>i doubt it's dangerous on campus..., for security purposes, on campus one is probably safer in jhu than in duke...i mean 2 security guards literally within your range of walking distance in a couple of secs; however...because of the excessive security if you like to feel more privacy, duke may give more freedom =D because like in jhu i heard you have to show identitification cards just to get into your dorms O.o...so yea...anyhow par72, i don;t see where you came up w/ your conclusion since data/numbers does not support that and instead contradicts that...maybe you are talking about law placements? In that case, i have to agree w/ you...duke definetely places more students in more prestigious law schools =( but jhu isn;t that bad in law placements either =(</p>
<p>Darkhope, where are you getting this avg GPA of 3.4-3.5 from? My brother graduated from JHU a few yrs ago and I didn't get the impression that the avg GPA was anywhere near that.</p>
<p>from 2 students who went there and got it from the registration office both students said the same thing...unless they both lied which is unlikely since they were two different posters
edit: the 2 original posters of that informations can be found on either cc thread under jhu in the past history section thing or sdsn forum
edit: actually one student said it was 3.5 for science/human but that student admitted that the avg was really a 3.4 for sci/human but that that one year was only an anomaly hence the 3.5
edit: or it can be a conspiracy O.o the registration office is probably printing false information O.o</p>