Job Placement

<p>Hello,
One of the main reasons I would go to KP is the job afterwards. I am having a hard time finding information on the kind of job placement KP has... Maybe some alumni could help me out with this question. </p>

<p>When you graduated, what were your options? </p>

<p>Could you choose between tankers, containers, cruise ships and all that or was it pretty restricted? </p>

<p>Do you feel KP helped find you the job or was it something you had to really go out and look for?</p>

<p>What was the pay (if i may ask ;) )? </p>

<p>Did you have the same job offers as your classmates, or did students with good grades and all that get more offers? </p>

<p>What did your year look like (months at sea, some time off, etc)? </p>

<p>What did you do in your time off? </p>

<p>How did the Naval Reserve obligation work out? </p>

<p>Did you have good options for what branch you wanted to do reserves in?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>Taffy - Are you SURE you haven't missed your calling as a reporter? KP is gonna kill you when he sees this lists of questions. The poor guy needs to study and we prolly bug the heck out of him as it is. Seriously, you must do well on your english papers. That is one well thought out list. I'm impressed!</p>

<p>do reporters get to drive thousand-foot ships?</p>

<p>You make me grin so big sometimes. The pay isn't there so just stick with the plan Taff. You're going to USMMA and learn how to drive the big boat for real.</p>

<p>Taffy I sense a "Mrs. Robinson" deal goin on here...</p>

<p>Taffy (& others): one of the most entertaining alum magazines is the Kings Pointer. It is available online as an enormous pdf document <a href="http://www.usmmaaa.com/newsltr/htmlmag/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usmmaaa.com/newsltr/htmlmag/&lt;/a> or the school will mail it to you. I love reading the class notes: these guys are fun! With the advent of email, they are getting all kinds of notes as KP is a relatively small and tight knit fraternity. Tales of jobs, adventures, love and life. They are all over the lot in all kinds of ships and marine-related jobs. Many were in the Navy or Marines and a significant number are or were Navy pilots. You'll need to visit KP and talk to them - not sure how many KPers (except KP2001 and he's supposed to be studying...) are likely to post in here unless they have kids applying! Enjoy the magazine. There is also an active alum site: <a href="http://www.usmmaaf.com/index_flash.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.usmmaaf.com/index_flash.asp&lt;/a> that has all kinds of things, including a job connection.</p>

<p>Boss, Jesus loves you more than you would know.</p>

<p>wo wo wo</p>

<p>Taffy you sure you're 18? You really know your pop culture!</p>

<p>1) im 17</p>

<p>2) i used google to find the lyrics to try and figure out what the heck you were talking about :P</p>

<p>3) thanks weski</p>

<p>Good boy you should watch the movie too...just don't get any ideas!</p>

<p>Noooo. He can't watch the movie.I won't have this young mind warped any more than it already is. #2 proves it. Too funny Taff. We really did have some strange music in our era. </p>

<p>Weski - we received two publications so far. Read it cover to cover. Great articles. I did notice that the personal injury attorney ads were on every page leaving me with the impression that Jamz will have a peg leg and glass eye by the time sea year is over. LOL</p>

<p>The new film, "Rumor has it" with Costner & Anniston is the sequel of sorts to The Graduate; so there is a new generation! Wonder what the new "plastics" is as the ultimate job answer?</p>

<p>Jamzmom: yes, those personal injury ads do make you wonder. One of son's favorite plebe classes featured a new way to get yourself killed on a ship every class - I think they ended up with 101 ways...very comforting! Apparently, it was entertaining, funny, and quite memorable, which was the point. Ships are not for the stupid or sissies!</p>

<p>Taffy - check out KP2001's comments in "Above or below deck." He had a lot of good info in there on his sailing experiences as well as classes.</p>

<p>thats what inspired me to create this thread.</p>

<p>taffy: none too subtle with the "maybe an alumni could help" seeing as though I think I'm the only one around here, haha. I'll try to answer all the questions for you.</p>

<p>1)Graduation options: Too many to write, but I'll try. 1st choice you have to make: Military Vs. Civilian. Military = any branch of the military including active national guard units and NOAA. Civilian = anything maritime related, if you can relate it strongly to the maritime industry you can probably do it. Sailing, port operations, chartering, brokering, ship building - a short list of what is out there.</p>

<p>2)Could you choose the type of ship: Yes, if you want to work for the cruise line, apply to the cruise line, they don't have any other ships, haha. If you want to work on a tanker apply to a tanker company, etc. You can also join one of the unions. With the unions you usually just take whatever job is out there. You can have a "wish list" though. With tankers specifically you need an additional endorsement that you can get while at KP. If you don't have the Tankerman PIC endorsement on your license you probably won't sail on tankers.</p>

<p>3)KP Help finding job: ABSOLUTELY! Tons of companies come to campus to recruit. During your first class year you can spend pretty much every night interviewing with different companies. For me specificially I interviewed with a company called ADM. After my initial interview at KP they then flew me out to St. Louis all expenses paid for a secondary interview. That is pretty much the usual. The school will let you out of class to go on interviews. The job placement rate at the time of graduation is darn near 100% every year.</p>

<p>4)What was the pay: I sailed for the union American Maritime Officers on oil tankers. This union is usually considered the one that pays the least. My pay was exactly 10,000 dollars a month. I still live off some of that savings 4 years later.</p>

<p>5)Do grades get you more offers: Yes and no. Grades probably matter more for grad school offers or something like that; however, a good GPA is never a bad thing and it probably did help in some cases. Most companies know that if you graduate from KP you've got the goods. Now if two applicants are exactly alike except for GPA they will probably take the higher GPA. For sailing jobs it really doesn't matter at all.</p>

<p>5)Year look like: I hope you're referring to after graduation because that's what I'll give you. If you work for a union it's pretty much up to you how much you want to work. My job was 3-4 months on followed by 3-4 months off. If you work for a company sailing then your schedule is determined by then. Basically each job on the ship is filled by two people and you rotate with that person so you can work things out. If you need more time off and they are willing to stay longer well then you get more time off. If you need to work more for some financial reason or trying to hide from the "authorities" then you can probably work more. Vacation time is vacation time to do whatever the heck you want.</p>

<p>6)Time off: I mostly sat around my parents house doing nothing, haha. Oh well I bought lots of goodies (always a big spending spree the first week off the ship). Most people travel around to visit their friends or just travel the world. Some take classes, basically it's up to your own imagination. If you wake up wanting to go to Brazil that morning well then you buy your ticket and go to Brazil, you got the money so it's no worry.</p>

<p>7)Naval Reserve Obligation: This is seriously one of the best kept secrets of the whole deal. It turns out to be a two-week paid vacation to wherever you want to go in the US. Your first duty after graduation is a required Ensign Indoc course type deal where you go learn about your future in the reserves. This is usually held out in california (San Francisco area) for two weeks. After that year you are free to choose where, when, and what you want to do from a list that is published on the MMR program website. Unfortunately I think it's password protected or I'd link it for you guys. If you are sailing you simply set it up for a time you're on vacation. There are offers throughout the year. Your requirement is two weeks of active training a year. No weekend a month requirement(see below).</p>

<p>8)Reserve Branch Selection: Yes, you can select what branch of the reserves you would like to enter. The only caveat being that only the Navy MMR program has the two weeks a year only option. All of the other services will require you to do a weekend a month and two weeks a year. If you are sailing this would be difficult to do. In the Navy you go into what is called the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR), in the other services you would go on what is called the Selective Reserves (SELRES). You do have the option of doing SELRES in the navy if you want. Most from our program would go into Small Boat Unit reserve units; which are basically the people who drive the cool SEAL boats or do Riverine type stuff. </p>

<p>Overall you can do whatever it is you want to do as long as it relates to the Maritime industry. There are a world of options that I couldn't even begin to write out or even imagine. The "Kings Pointer" is a good read and a good way to get an idea of what alumni are doing. Don't worry about the personal injury lawyer ads, I think most of those are directed towards the older generation who had to deal with things like asbestos and the like.</p>

<p>Hope this answered most of your questions.</p>

<p>KP2001, When you say you get paid 10,000 a month; do you just get paid for the months you are at sea or you get 10,000 a month even when you are a home?</p>

<p>sorry, should have been more clear on that. you get 10,000 for the time you are at sea. The way it worked for me as a union member is I had two paychecks. The first was from the company I worked for and that one was about 7,000 a month. Then when you get off the ship for vacation time you file a form with the Union to get your "Vacation Pay" and that equaled about 3,000 a month.</p>

<p>That is quite a step up from $800/month you get during your sea time! KP, did you get the $10K right off the bat out of school as a 3rd officer? In John McPhee's, "Looking for a Ship," (highly recommended), the agony of waiting for a ship in the union halls is well documented and apparently is still going on as US flagships continue in their decline except for defense supplies due to the high cost of running a US flagged ship (see labor costs above).</p>

<p>Yes it's is quite a nice step up. the midshipmen these days even got a recent pay raise. When I was there it was $20 a day. Yes, I got the 10K right off the bat, actually I started two weeks after graduation. Yes there is still the "waiting game" with the unions - mainly with Master's, Mates & Pilots (MMP for deckies) as in that union you have to go to the hall and put your "card" in for the job. With American Maritime Officers (AMO) you simply call the people and pester them until you get a job. I'm not sure what the situation with Engineers is. MEBA and AMO are the two big engineering unions and MMP and AMO are the two big Deckie unions. There are benifits and downfalls to joining each union but that is way too detailed to get into here. Luckily for the midshipmen they get a nice taste of the unions while at sea. </p>

<p>I mentioned the Tankerman PIC endorsement earlier, if you have this your job opportunities greatly expand. If you're a deckie at KP make sure you get this even if you think you'll never use it. </p>

<p>You are correct that the labor costs are high for US Flagged ships, but shipping remains one of the cheapest ways to ship goods. You think we're expensive check out the cost of flying your goods somewhere. The reason the foreign flagged ships have cheap labor is where they get their labor from. There is a great animosity between the Greeks and Philipino's in the maritime industry. You have to sail in the Med Sea to get a true feeling of it.</p>

<p>Wait Wait! I gotta put more paper in the printer! KP2001, this is fabulous stuff. You are educating us more than you know. I'm printing this off to send to Jamz for reading when he's not running "Buffy" the floor polisher or using his triggered mildew weapon, Mr.Tilex. There were many un-answered questions when ya pack up your kid & send them off to KP and you're such a help. Most of the reading material about KP is post WWII. The hubby is out trying to find his little white ball in the woods & I can't wait until he gets home to read this. THANKS!! And Taffy, you make a pretty good reporter.</p>