<p>I guessing none of the 62 credits can come from Kelley upper level classes, except maybe X420. </p>
<p>These Icore prerequistes plus E302 counted toward the gen ed 62 credit requirement. I think X420 counted too. The ones in Kelley you could argue, in terms of being gen ed, would be saying X104 and X204 were “speech” or communications classes; X220 is a career services class; G202 is an econ and ethics class.</p>
<p>In the past, once you did all the above, Icore, your Kelley major upper levels, and the 27 credit hour core, you only needed three or four credits to get to 62, and a lot of people just did three or four HPER credits. Now, I guess you could take eight credits of HYPER and Music together, and maybe throw in some SPEA. It’s all guesses. But I don’t think upper level classes to get majors and double-majors in finance, accounting, BEPP, MGT, supply chain, etc. would ever count for gen ed. The philosophy behind the bachelors in business is to get you roughly half business, half non-business; and upper level Kelley classes are definitely all business. </p>
<p>A minor in econ is probably acceptable, since econ courses have always counted toward gen ed.</p>
<p>Thanks for the helpful discussion. I thought that the class registration schedule depends upon the available credits. Freshmen with the most credits will register first among the freshmen. I thought that advisor can then accept the appointment based upon the registration sequence. If a student makes an appointment before IU publishes the new schedule, what is the use of the advising since students do not know what courses will be offered? Unless, the advising session is just a requirement for the advisor to release the hold since the student may know what to take.</p>
<p>Just found this thread. The advising time is assigned based upon the completed credits. That appears to be reasonable. Hopefully, the assigned time won’t be in conflict with any classes. Last year, the schedule came out the 1st week in October. Good luck!</p>
<p>I assume getting an appointment with an advisor is first come, first served. They probably just talk about what classes you need and are likely to be available if the schedule is not out yet, and enable your ability to register on OneStart. It probably would be good to schedule now for an appointment after, say, Oct 15, by which time the schedule would have probably been out at least a couple of weeks. Freshmen probably won’t register till around November 10-12, since early enrollment last year was Oct 21-Nov 19, and freshmen will register the last week of early enrollment.</p>
<p>Are you sure you are not confusing registering time with advising appointments? The way I understand it you are assigned a time you can begin to register, which is based on the amount of credits you have. But freshman won’t have the hold released until they meet with their adviser. We were told at our advising meetings during welcome week that we needed to schedule those on our own. In fact they suggested we do it right there that day. </p>
<p>Basically, what the advisers do during the appointment is plan out the student’s courses through I-core. They don’t need the times of the classes because they are not registering, they are just discussing what classes need to be taken the next 2-3 semesters.</p>
<p>The advising meeting during orientation did not involve the schedule at all. The adviser just made a list of classes with the student, then the student went to go make the schedule work. It is the same way this time.</p>
<p>“A minor in econ is probably acceptable, since econ courses have always counted toward gen ed.”</p>
<p>Is that true? The bulletin says: </p>
<p>“General Education Supplemental Hours
Students may choose courses from throughout the university,
excluding Kelley School and Department of Economics
courses, to complete the 62 credit hour General Education
component.”</p>
<p>Granted, the bulletin apparently says a lot of things that aren’t true…</p>
<p>I guess they allow the icore prerequisites from the Econ department to count as gen ed, but not any other Econ classes? </p>
<p>I’m having a hard time grasping what classes would be acceptable to take for gen ed since they don’t have to fit into the 27 credit hour core concept. I think if you could load up on a lot of Econ classes, that would be great for your resume. But maybe you can’t, as you pointed out the Bulletin saying. Everything is guesswork these days.</p>
<p>As a result, they may relax the requirement to allow E201/E202 for S&H and M119 for N&M. It turns out that the requirement could be diluted by two courses (10-3) vs. 9.----</p>
<p>And could you take off two more classes because each of them might double-count for the requirement? For example, a lot of classes on the A&H and S&H lists are also on the World Cultures list. I think a lot of students on this site signed up for Fall classes this summer that were A&H and WC at the same time.</p>
<p>Thanks. It is better safe than sorry. Just told both boys to make appointment to see their advisors.</p>
<p>S2 is taking a WC course which may satisfy the A&H requirements. I think that there are many useful and interesting courses at IU to take. I think that it makes sense to take a few extra ones over the minimum requirements. The purpose of the college is to enrich and that is my expectation for them. </p>
<p>BTW, where are the descriptions on the upper level Kelley genEd requirement? Can it be satisfied with 200 level of N&M courses?</p>
<p>I sent another email to Kelley advising and they answered that the Kelley Bulletin will “be updated shortly.” So that should clarify things a lot.</p>