<p>I just got into Indiana as a Junior Transfer today. I live in Georgia and I also got accepted into Georgia State for the fall as well, which is decent for Atlanta only. I'm wanting to get into Investment Banking after undergrad and I'm trying to figure out if the OOS tuition, which would be about 50K, is worth it to get the advantages of Kelley?</p>
<p>If you study hard, its worth it… I mean… Obviously a better b school than Georgia state. IUB is ranked 11th in the nation by US WORLD NEWS></p>
<p>Well, the cost of attendance is $37K, not $50K–which might make a bit of a difference in your computation.</p>
<p>Tuition for Kelley $25K (estimate–still to be announced)
Housing: $6.5K on-campus (9 months), $8K off-campus (for 12 months)–and less if you share an apartment with others
Food (9 months): $4.4
Books: $.7K
Transportation: $.4K</p>
<p>Total: $37K to $38.5K per year</p>
<p>The cost here in California to go to a UC if you live on campus is about $30K per year, but only about $15K per year if you go to a California State University and can live at home. (Some UC and Cal States require 5 years to finish, though–since getting the classes necessary to graduate are difficult to get. Indiana Univ at Bloomington guarantees that the classes will be available–or they will pay the extra tuition costs for you to finish up your degree.)</p>
<p>So, the difference is about $7K per year if Georgia State is similar in cost to a UC and you can get done in 4 years there (and for a transfer like you, that means the difference in cost is $14K total). Personally, I’d say it is worth it to go to IU-B, --but only you can make that decision.</p>
<p>Well Georgia State is only a little <6000 per year. So I would not have to borrow any money if I did that route. I know it would be more than 25K I was just speaking about tuition. I’m pretty sure I’m going to go through with it I just wanted to see other people’s opinions on student loans. I know a couple of people who are loaded so maybe I can get an interest free loan lol.</p>
<p>Calcruzer, I saw in a thread that you mentioned your son goes to Kelley. How does he like the overall experience?</p>
<p>Well, the university’s courses, especially the business school is a bit tougher than he thought it would be based upon his first year there, when it seemed that he had all easy classes except for BUS A100. But I think this is largely because his first year he was less socially involved (and thus spent more time studying), while in his sophomore year he got much more involved in a few cliques and got a steady girlfriend. This past year, he’s had to “buckle down” again and learn to balance the two–the academic and the social side–which has been a good life lesson. He’s also had to learn to figure how to budget his money earned during last summer to cover his social life (another life lesson).</p>
<p>With a year to go, he has a very unusual attitude about things now. He finds that most of his courses fall into two categories now–he loves them or he hates them (fortunately many more “loves” than “hates”–about (4 to 1) or (5 to 2). I also thinks that he has learned about working in teams much more–and figured out real quickly how to tell who will “carry their share” and who won’t–another life lesson–and who is a good friend, and who is just going to be around now and then.</p>
<p>After having just finished a semester where he took 19 units, he’s looking forward to the summer and his internship (he’s got an intership job working for one of the largest District Attorney’s offices in the local metro San Jose, CA area, which fits in well with his Legal Studies major). But at the same time, he’ll knows he’s got one tough year left, with three more law courses to take, plus a term paper to write, plus three other courses to take, plus needing to finish I-core in order to graduate–and he may need to fit this schedule around job interviews in case the DA’s office does have permanent opernings for non-lawyers next year.</p>
<p>I asked him if it had been a long three years and his response was–“No, it doesn’t seem like three years already. Instead it just seems like one super-long single year filled with either periods of boredom or periods where there aren’t enough hours in a day to get all the work done”. He said that working a standard 40 hours a week was going to seem like a vacation by comparison–although I pointed out that he’s likely to find out that DA’s work very non-standard work hours also. His reply was that if they do, he’s ready for it, and that it couldn’t be any tougher than this past semester’s schedule. </p>
<p>So I asked, “Would you rather have gone to school somewhere else?”–His reply was, “If there is a school that would allow me to take just the courses that are the useful ones, and drop the others, yes–but I don’t think that school exists. The courses that are good here are very good, and I love them, even some of the extremely tough ones, like X201 and L409, but some courses (in particular, Z302 and G202 and A100) were a waste of time, since they weren’t designed to teach, but rather to lecture.” I then asked, “So, is that a yes, you’d rather have gone somewhere else, or a no, you wouldn’t”. His reply “I’d rather be here than any other place I could have gone, but then I didn’t go to those other places, so, naturally, I can’t be positive that I would feel the same if I went to them instead”.</p>
<p>My last question to him was, “So are you smarter now after three years?” He just laughed, and then he said "I bet you are hoping that I’m at least $100,000 dollars smarter, since I guess that is what it has cost so far. Then he added, “Don’t worry, I’m at least that much smarter–although I don’t think I’d admit it if I wasn’t”.</p>
<p>Let me also list some of the courses that he has really, really enjoyed (keep in mind that some of these courses are still tough ones, though, so don’t think they are all simple)</p>
<p>CMCL C121 Public Speaking (the professor he took this from, Sartiano, is unfortunately no longer at IUB–we think he now teaches at NYU)
WEUR W405 Western Intellectual Thought (Douglas is great)
GEOG G120 World Regional Geography
HIST H105 History of the Family
BUS L409 Environmental Law (McCrory is a VERY tough professor, but my son says he is possibly the best law professor in the country–quite surprising considering he teaches at a business school. I noticed that McCrory won an award about 4 years ago as the best law professor at any business school in the country, and has won an award as one of IUB’s best professors four times in seven years.) He used to be the Assistant DA for the state of Indiana, and he also ran the environmental section of the US Justice Department a few years back.
GLLC G320 Espionage in the 21st Century (Coyle teaches a very interesting class)
BUS X100 Introduction to Business (everyone likes Kanning for this class)
JOUR J300 Journalism Law (both professors that teach this class are good ones)
TEL T206 Introduction to Design and Production (lots of good professors teach the class)
ANTH E200 Social and Cultural Anthropology (Dietrich teaches an interesting, active class)</p>
<p>Calcruzer== I guess your son took alot of non business courses since he is a business law major! Very interesting!</p>
<p>Oh I saw Espionage in the 21st century on the course catalog, it looked super interesting. Thank for you the tip that it’s a good one!</p>
<p>ElizaB, I just took the class this past semester(Spring '09). It’s taught by a former CIA officer who was in Moscow during the '80s(pretty crazy!). Anyways, just to let you know, he teaches a class in the fall on espionage, but it’s espionage from the American Revolutionary Period to World War II, so it’s more like history. In the Spring, he teaches the the course I took, Espionage in the 21st century and covers the cold war, creative intel-ops, both iraq wars, 9/11, and the current intelligence community. Great teacher and an interesting class.</p>
<p>Ah that class sounds amazing! Thank you so much for the info. Hopefully I’ll get to take it at some point!</p>
<p>gogobet,</p>
<p>All business majors are required to take half of their courses outside of the business school.</p>
<p>As far as Coyle (the guy who taught the espionage course), my son has already signed up for his Fall semester course (Intelligence and National Security), since he liked the Spring semester (Espionage) course so much. Obviously, he and mactonycw were in the same class and have a similar opinion of Coyle.</p>
<p>If you could make one recommendation for a freshman direct admit who wants an interesting, not-too-difficult, way-different-than-high school, inspiring “I’m so glad I’m finally in college” course to round out a heavily pre-icore schedule, ideally in history (but another category fine too)… what would it be?</p>
<p>^
hahahahahhaha</p>
<p>Tulare, look at History B303, then look at Western European Studies W405. You’ll see a few interesting things.</p>
<p>First, you’ll see that it is not just one subject being taught, but rather there are some different courses to choose from. Secondly, you’ll see that many of the courses that are being offered through the History department and through the Western European Studies department are exactly the same (and are in-fact, the exact same class), but just being offered under both areas). </p>
<p>Now here’s an interesting thing;–History majors have to sign up and take this course as HIST B303 to get the credits they need, and most non-business majors will sign up under HIST B303 also, but if you–being a business major–sign up for one of these courses under the WEUR (Western European Studies) department instead, you will get credit for this course as fulfilling 3 units of your “Social and History” requirement completed, and you can get 3 units of your “International Dimension” courses fulfilled. (Note: you only get 3 units for the class, but it counts towards both areas of the business degree requirements).</p>
<p>Here’s another interesting thing to notice;–the History classes will all fill up right away, but the WEUR classes will all still have openings. What this means is you should consider signing up for one of these as a WEUR courses as a freshman or sophomore–which you normally wouldn’t be able to get into if you tried to sign up as a freshman or sophomore through the History department listing. </p>
<p>Here’s another thing–yes, this is a 300 or 400 level course–meaning it is considered a course for juniors or seniors–but yet, if you get a good professor, it really isn’t all that difficult compared to most 300 or 400 courses–and you are required to take at least three 300 or 400 level courses to fulfill the 27 hour course coree–either the “general distribution” or “field specialization” option.</p>
<p>Okay, now the last thing–one of the professors (Allen Douglas) is teaching two courses that aren’t terribly difficult, even for a freshman, as long as you don’t mind doing a bit of debating with others in the class about the subject–in this case, the two classes are “War and Comic Strips” or else “World War II in Movies and Film”–meaning you’ll be discussing what you think the meaning of a comic strip is or what point the movie was making. </p>
<p>Douglas is an expert in the French Revolution and in World War II, so you’ll learn a lot in these courses, even though the course names sound kind of weird–and they will fit in with your other really tough courses as a freshman. My son took two courses with Douglas, one as a freshman and one as a sophomore and got an A- in one of the courses and a B+ in the other one–and most importantly, enjoyed them both while fulfilling the history and international dimension requirements at the same time. (Note: One of the courses he took was Western Intellectual Thought–which was actually quite a bit more challenging than either of the courses Douglas is offering this coming Fall Semester.)</p>
<p>Calcruzer, you are a fabulous source of information. “WWII in Movies and Film” could not do a better job of fulfilling the criteria of “interesting, way different than high school, I’m so glad I’m finally in college.” And to get the tip to look at WEUR vs. History classes is a great bonus. Thanks so much.</p>
<p>Calcruzer, I have to agree. I’ve actually been searching for that same “different than high school” history course myself…these are great options to keep in mind! Thank you for all of your input, it has helped me tremendously though I mostly just check out the posts rather than respond myself. :)</p>
<p>Glad I could be of some help.</p>
<p>Now we just have to hope that:
(1) the WEUR classes are still available when you register (I think they still will be), and
(2) that you don’t have trouble getting to the class that is at 8 in the morning (keep in mind that morning buses are sometimes full, so plan accordingly and consider getting up early enough to walk to the class if necessary.) If you expect this to be a problem, then consider taking the 2:30 PM class instead.</p>