<p>I understand that flamboyant people (gay or not) can be annoying (very annoying). But… why is it that even some of the gay people on this thread say that fem. attributes (be it someones speech, or other behavior) are a bad thing. Some of you seem so quick to say that you aren’t like that or that you find it annoying. IDK it just seems like your setting a double standard. You should be accepted because you appear straight or American or whatever other bull***** yall were taking about, but as soon as someone with stereotypical features comes into the picture its all of a sudden a bad thing??? </p>
<p>Oh oh oh, and it seems like some of the gays on this forum are proud if people can’t tell that they’re gay, like it’s a compliment or something. How weak is that??? You want people to be accepting of differences, but then you pride yourselves on all of your non-stereotypical attributes. Whatever. </p>
<p>BTW I’m not refering to anyone in particular because i haven’t really paid attention to names. Anyways, yeah.</p>
<p>As a gay male, I’m not going to a pride, cliche. I don’t think that makes me ridiculous, but you know i do participate in the Day of Silence, to show my support there. I think that’s going to do more than having pride festivals. I don’t like parades for gays, and I don’t know if that will ever change.</p>
<p>JSmall - the straight males don’t like the girly voices because it’s not normal to them. Speaking as to why I simply don’t like them is on an attractive level. If I wanted to date a man that talked and acted like I girl, wouldn’t I be straight ;). I don’t think there is ANYTHING wrong with being flamboyant, it’s just not who I AM, and I didn’t want to be apart of THAT stereotype. Never did I say it was bad, I was just saying that it’s not what I like. I have many flamboyant gay friends, and don’t even try calling me weak. If you’re saying I’m weak because I don’t like to date flamboyant gays, then I guess I am. So nobody ever said that fem attributes are a bad thing, except the straight people if I remember correctly.</p>
<p>No, I said nothing about who you wanted to date. Be attracted to who you want to be attracted to. That makes perfect sence. I just find it odd that so many are so quick to let everyone know that they aren’t fem, as if it is wrong. Like they are better for not being as flamboyant or fem, or whatever. I didn’t say that you said it was a bad thing, but that is how many come off</p>
<p>Oh, and you don’t like pride because it’s cliche? So you’re purposely trying to avoid something because you intentionally want to be set apart from those who do go to these parades?</p>
<p>If so, that reminds me of the people who intentionally don’t listen to pop music just because they don’t want to be associated with “media brain washed teenagers”/</p>
<p>I never said pride was cliche! If you look at my post, it is in RESPONSE TO “teenage_cliche” the MEMBER on this forum. Goodness!</p>
<p>IF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE PRIDES THATS FINE, i’m just not doing it. I’m not trying to avoid tit because I want to be set apart. I dated a guy who went to them, and several of the guys I talk to like them, and several do not.</p>
<p>Well if you all want to argue about gay being a choice or not I can safely tell you it was NOT a choice for me and all the gay people I know have said that if they look at the signs from their entire lives they say that they have always been gay as long as they can remember. This may make some feel uncomfortable but I remember when I was 4 or 5 and I used to like my sisters barbie’s (and especially ken) more than she did. However the thought of myself being gay never came across my head until middle school and now I realize that all my life I have been gay, but due to society’s expectations for me to be a “normal” straight boy I realize that I had simply convinced myself I was straight for the first 12 years of my life when in fact I was born gay. So what I’m trying to prove in case you didn’t catch it is that homosexuality is not a choice, or at least it was never a choice in the cases I’ve heard of but it is instead being gay from birth.</p>
<p>^I’m not arguing that you didn’t know (I’m of the belief that there’s at least some biological factoring into it), but I know a lot of straight guys that loved barbies when they were younger… and as a straight girl I never liked barbies or dolls of any sort.</p>
<p>It has biological factoring. Just because someone loved or didn’t love barbies isn’t a clear sign to if they are gay or not at all, but if a group has that all in common it may say that the majority of gays preferred barbies at a young age. I must say that in my life, it was always knowing that something about girls was just awkward with me. Cheerleading was a cool sport when I was younger too, football was just weird. Now I do like football aha, I’ve just turned my feminine side into other things. Very few people on here will disagree that being gay is not a choice. Although, I’m wondering how many of them actually mean it, they could really be hiding it and think that it really is a choice, but how would they know?</p>
<p>I get daily hate in my youtube box by Christians telling me I’m going to hell, but it’s whatever.</p>
<p>I’m openly gay. I don’t think I’d be considered flamboyant. But I do like to cook and shopping isn’t that bad. I hate watching football and baseball, but like to row, run, and play tennis (I get bored watching them for too long though). I have a few gay friends. We’re pretty open about talking about sex, in the right company. Though I find my straight friends (especially the girls) tend to lead the conversations in that direction. Most of my friends are straight though. I have a really good job and excellent growth potential (Someone earlier said that gay people should “get good jobs” … I feel like most gay people that I know have comparable jobs to straight people). </p>
<p>I’m proud of the fact that I’m gay. By which I mean that I’m not ashamed of it, wouldn’t change to straight if I could, and don’t feel the need to lie or try to hide it from anyone. </p>
<p>So where does that leave me in this argument of how “proud” we should be or how normalized we should be?</p>
<p>I went to a pride parade for the first time a few weeks ago. I used to feel a little iffy about them, but it totally changed my perspective. I had been out to dinner and drinks with some friends (the majority of whom were straight) and we stopped by on our way home. It was actually an amazing experience. Though you might claim that being gay is nothing to be “proud” about and that gays should try to be as mainstream as possible, in a region such as mine (Texas) where there is still so much homophobia, I feel like such displays of support are needed. While the 10 second clip of that made the evening news was probably the one float of strippers in thongs from a gay club, the vast majority of floats were very mainstream. Several dozen churches had floats with signs saying “we love our gay members;” Several 80 year old women with PFLAG carried signs saying “I love my gay son.” </p>
<p>It’s a parade. Have a drink. Enjoy it. Get over it.</p>
<p>I ‘came out’ to a few friends in the beginning of 8th grade, and in a month or two pretty much my whole social group knew, which lead to the whole school knowing by the last few months of the year. That taught me that if you want a secret to be private, never tell anyone, no matter how important it could be, you can never trust anyone but yourself. When we moved to HS in 9th grade, it only took 1 month for the whole school to find out. No one has really said/done anything negative to my face, except for a few random people I don’t care about. Most people are accepting, or at least keep their dissaproval behind my back. I came out to my parents when I got busted for pot a few months ago, and they grounded me for two months because they were so upset. They are slowly getting over it now. </p>
<p>I’m moving to a new school next year for IB, and I hear it’s much more conservative, and I am scared, I feel like no one is going to accept me there. I don’t want to have to hide it all over again, but because of IB it probably won’t even matter because I won’t have time for a social life anyway ;)</p>
<p>Nothing, I just thought that I didn’t have anything more to lose when I got ‘busted’. I wasn’t actually ‘busted’ really, my parents just set up a cleverly designed trap for me to admit I smoked pot.</p>
<p>thelonius - I’m glad you feel that way. Myself, I still find being gay as something that I’m not necessarily proud of, especially when it seems like you’re a disappointment to your whole family, which is how it is for me. My brother has threatened to beat the he** out of me for it. But it’s whatever. Florida’s a very conservative state also, not even gay adoption.</p>
<p>N0stalgia - Awe, sorry that happened and I wish you the best in IB. The IB schools around here are pretty accepting. When I came out it went around for about 3 days, EVERYONE found out just because people thought it was cool to talk about me and I’m pretty known around the school, but after everyone talked about it, it was like, wow that got old. So everyone just accepted me and the rest of my year was fine.</p>
<p>I guess the mannerisms of gay people can annoy others, but those people are being stereotypical. Straight people too have mannerisms that annoy myself. I think they harass the homosexuals for other reasons than mannerisms, it’s more of a homophobia or religious component.</p>
<p>altindie, It’s mostly bi girls. I’ve never really heard of a guys doing it for attention like some of these girls. These girls are making it harder for gays and lesbians to get rights because gays and lesbians have been fighting for years, and these “bi” girls for attention aren’t helping.</p>
<p>Thanks LMU10. The school I am going to isn’t an exclusive IB school though, it’s a public school located in one of the richest area of my city, and I hear they are very conservative and intolerant there. I’m sure the people I will be dealing with (the IB kids) will be more accepting, though. Hopefully :)</p>
<p>I know of an IB kid, and he’s pretty much gay, I’m almost 90% sure but he’s in the closet, he gets made fun of every day by the NON IB students. All the rest don’t really care in IB. They are pretty open people, but, you’re going to find conservative and discriminatory people anywhere you go.</p>