<p>Maybe Notre Dame is reporting old data.</p>
<p>It says statistics for 2003-2004 at the top. Conspiracy!</p>
<p>According to the USNWR, Michigan's selectivity rank is 18th in the nation (Notre Dame is 21st).</p>
<p>That's odd. The biggest factor is ACT/SAT test scores. I'll have to take your word on that (rofl).</p>
<p>Harvard Law, Michigan 18, Notre Dame 16. True enough. But Top 10 Law, Michigan 133 (annually), Notre Dame? I can guarantee it is lower than 60.</p>
<p>Michigan recruits its own. You proved that in one of your previous posts. Misleading data, and unverified data.</p>
<p>Same goes for top feeder colleges. UM Law is one of the top 15 grad schools. That's why UM is ahead of ND in that report.</p>
<p>curious how those admit rates round to exactly 80%, 90% and 100%(!). Our Lady cooking their own books?</p>
<p>Terminator,</p>
<p>How about your compadre' Torn: "In they eyes of top corporations, and most grad schools, Notre Dame holds much greater weight "</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>"In the corporate world, ND's alumni connections and reputation place it way ahead of michigan..."</p>
<p>Apparently Torn has conducted an unbiased, statistically significant survey of S&P 500 recruiters as well as top Law, Med & Business school admissions directors, but for an unknown reason has declined to produce his results?</p>
<p>You do yourselves and your school a disservice with such unsubstantiated claims...and I guarantee that if you actually do the research, Michigan will own ND on the strength of their UG business and engineering programs.</p>
<p>What about him? I do not know him.</p>
<p>All ownage and misleading statistics aside, UM and ND are very similar. They both have different approaches to higher education, but the results are similar. I would definitely not claim that one is simply better than the other. I think that's a stupid way to differentiate schools.</p>
<p>From all the "SAT/ACT tests mean nothing" to the "UM isn't liberal" and the "Catholics in groups are blind" propaganda, I find this entire discussion to be distasteful, especially the zealousness of Alexandre to promote her university toward the zenith of higher education. I wouldn't naturally care so much, except that people here look to these places for solid advice.</p>
<p>What a heated debate. Both are good schools. It's not like one of these schools is going to give you an advantage over another-- your sucess derives from how much effort you put into it. Not being able to get into the medical or law school you want is your fault if you go to either of these schools for undergrad-- you didnt try hard enough. My opinion, but unbiased between UM and ND i think.</p>
<p>Yeah, I completely agree with you.</p>
<p>This forum is becoming entirely worthless.</p>
<p>Terminator, let us turn over a new page and start anew. I personally agree with most of what you have to say (unfortunately, no two people can agree on everything) and your input has been very helpful and valuable to the Michigan forum. Let us forget for a minute the details and look at the big picture. As we have both been saying, both Michigan and Notre Dame provide great undergraduate educations. That is all that matters.</p>
<p>And one more thing...have you ever met a gal like me? I didn't think so. That's because I am male! LOL</p>